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I extracted this text for a little project I'm doing regarding the breechloadiing bronze cannon the Navy likes to think belonged to Hernando Cortes.

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Cortes to King Charles V of Spain, 15 October 1524

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I hastened therefore to find copper in the provinces, offering a good price that it might be the more quickly found; and, as soon as it was brought to me in sufficient quantity, I set a master of artillery, who was fortunately here, at making two medium-sized culverins. These came out so well that, considering their size, they could not have been better. Besides the copper, tin was required for these, as they could not be made without it, and, though with great difficulty and cost, I had procured some from people who had tin plates or other vessels; but neither dear nor cheap could much be found, so I began to enquire whether there was any in the country...

From this time forward I ordered the necessary quantity to be extracted, and shall continue to work these mines, though it will be difficult; while searching for these metals a rich vein of iron was found as I learned from those who say they know it. Since finding this tin, I have made, and daily continue to make cannon; so far there are five pieces, two mediumsized culverins, two a little smaller, and a serpentine cannon; I have two falconets which I brought with me to these parts and a medium-sized culverin Manufac- which I bought from the sale of the adelantado ture of Juan Ponce de Leon. I shall have in large and Ammunition small bronzes all those which have arrived on the ships at Vera Cruz, thirty-five pieces and of iron Lombardy guns, culverins of smaller calibre, and other guns and field pieces of smelt iron up to seventy pieces. Thus— our Lord be praised—we are able to defend ourselves; and as far as ammunition is concerned, God provided for that likewise, for we found a sufficient quantity of saltpetre of the best quality and vessels in which to bake it, though there was much waste at first. As for sulphur, I have spoken to Your Majesty of that mountain in the province of Mexico which smokes. A Spaniard1 descended by means of a rope, seventy or eighty fathoms, and obtained a sufficient quantity to last us in our need; but henceforward there will be no necessity of going to this trouble because it is dangerous and I shall always write to obtain these things from Spain since Your Majesty has been pleased that there should be no longer any Bishop to prevent it.


source:

MacNutt, Francis Augustus, The Five Letters of Relation from Fernando Cortes to the Emperor Charles V, v. 2, pp. 205, G. P. Putnam's Sons New York, 1908

The whole book is on Google Books if you are interested in reading further.



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Re: Be thankful you don't have to start from scratch like Cortes did...
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2009, 11:36:26 AM »
he he he , he was really doing it from scratch, and we talk about scratch built cannons .
we dont even come close to a scratch built culverine

how many of you guys have done the mining by yourself  ;D
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Re: Be thankful you don't have to start from scratch like Cortes did...
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2009, 12:28:01 PM »
Don't find many copper or tin mines here on the east cost........ pretty much you dig down 20 to 24 inches and you hit mucky water........

not much good for cannon founding........ :-\

I am hoping as thing improve to have some money set aside to see what the local foundry can do......... I'll let them supply certified

material for the casting, this way there are no questions as to whether it will go boom or BOOM!!!   :o

One advantage Cortés  had was he had an army and skilled labor with him, I doubt he could have undertook this task by himself,

still impressive in how short a time until they were setting up to build armaments in the new world.

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Re: Be thankful you don't have to start from scratch like Cortes did...
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2009, 01:37:11 PM »
Even taking disease, artillery, armor, their horses, and the probability that other Indians joined their ranks, into consideration, it still boggles my mind that Cortes, and his original 600 troops brought the entire Aztec empire to its knees.
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Re: Be thankful you don't have to start from scratch like Cortes did...
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2009, 01:58:29 PM »
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Even taking disease, artillery, armor, their horses, and the probability that other Indians joined their ranks, into consideration, it still boggles my mind that Cortes, and his original 600 troops brought the entire Aztec empire to its knees.

From the little reading I've done on him, he was indeed a most amazing character-had to have some kind of eyes in the back of his head.  He figured out every ambush and plot ever laid against him, and either evaded it or hit first. 

I think his biggest military victory was when other Spanish troops were sent to wipe him out or take him into custody-you see he seems to have made more enemies in Spain than in Mexico!  (Kinda reminds me of movie Apocalypse Now.)  A group of something like 1200 well-armed, fresh troops went after him when he had only about 200 men with him and he beat them.  That says something. 

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Re: Be thankful you don't have to start from scratch like Cortes did...
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2009, 02:08:43 PM »
Here's a good recent book on the subject area-it is a googlebook that's as usual only part there, but since it started with nearly 900 pages, there are plenty left in the google online edition.

http://books.google.com/books?id=i3kWhMibPdkC&printsec=frontcover

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Re: Be thankful you don't have to start from scratch like Cortes did...
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2009, 10:45:56 PM »
"...that mountain in the province of Mexico which smokes. A Spaniard1 descended by means of a rope, seventy or eighty fathoms, and obtained a sufficient quantity to last us in our need..."

 See boys and girls, all ya gotta do is rappel down into a volcano, scoop up a handful of molten sulfer and you're well on your way to some nice powder. Why pay shipping charges for Goex?

"...but henceforward there will be no necessity of going to this trouble because it is dangerous and I shall always write to obtain these things from Spain since Your Majesty has been pleased that there should be no longer any Bishop to prevent it."

 Was this Bishop an ancestor of anti-gunpowder Dianne Feinstein when CA was still part of Mexico?

 "From the little reading I've done on him, he was indeed a most amazing character..."

 He had "los huevos grandes" for sure; I get nervous out in the wilderness when I see the "no service" message on my cell phone :o
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