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« on: September 16, 2003, 03:02:13 AM »
Funny i can't get anyone to say they hear or heard of this too.  At my camp in Vermont I hear hooting at night its a strange type of hoot not owls.  At first I thought it was owls and a coworker who also has a place nearby me in Vermont told me about blackbears.  They hoot at night its the way they talk long distances across valley's.  Its two long hoots followed by two short hoots, then one long lasting hoot.   My coworker also told me to hoot back so I did and they hooted back at me.  Have you ever heard the bears hoot??
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If you listen you can hear on the other side of the valley hoots(bears) off in a distance answering back to hoots(bears) nearby.

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« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2003, 03:53:54 AM »
I think you should make sure you get both legs pulled the same or you will end up walking in circles.
Why don't you think it is an owl?  there are many different owls with different calls.  What you described sounds like a very common (around here) owl.
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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2003, 02:31:07 PM »
i'mathinkin it is owls--sounds like an owl call---jest in case, though, tha nex time i tried communicatin with the varmit i'd be loaded fer bear. you guys up in vemont may have, an probable do, have some different critters than down here in texas. please forgive me fer tha loaded fer bear crack--i jest couldn't help myonself- i repent.
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« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2003, 02:59:39 PM »
I guess nobody knows this?? Have your funnin!!!! Yokes on me!!  But the bear is laughing too at you!!  I guess nobody lives in the wilds like I do at my camp.   I can hear that bear go down the whole ridge hootin lookin for a mate.  My neighbor even told me there was alot of owls one night???   BigBill

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« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2003, 03:01:27 PM »
I'm surprised that you people have never heard of bear hooting :oops:
I live here in Vermont and have known this since I was a little kid. I can go out my door and hear them most nights hooting for mtn. to mtn. Theres nothing strange about it, just bears communicating. :D
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« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2003, 12:02:32 AM »
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I'm surprised that you people have never heard of bear hooting :oops:
I live here in Vermont and have known this since I was a little kid. I can go out my door and hear them most nights hooting for mtn. to mtn. Theres nothing strange about it, just bears communicating. :D


Thank You!!!!!!  Somebody had to know this besides me??   Its because they can't use 1-800 collect!!!!!!   BigBill

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« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2003, 12:24:59 AM »
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I'm surprised that you people have never heard of bear hooting :oops:
I live here in Vermont and have known this since I was a little kid. I can go out my door and hear them most nights hooting for mtn. to mtn. Theres nothing strange about it, just bears communicating. :D


Your in Chester,Vt. my camp is in Rochester I guess Vermont has something nobody else has Hootin Bears??  Or most of them are fooled and think their owls like I first did?  With all the predators making a comeback it sure is no place for sleeping you must be aware of your surroundings and what is around you.  I hunted up in Granville  in the national forest for years and have seen large cat tracks(catamount) for over 25 years way up high on the mountains were no one goes.  We would put the jeep up as far as we could go then walk the rest when they had the trails still open now most are blocked off from use.  I also seen a catamount one night at near my camp there no joke same thing as a mountainlion they are big cats.  My area was the best deer hunting area around till the coyotes and the catamount moved in.   Now there is no deer tracks at all and it was like Rt91 with deer tracks for many years.  I never built on my land just to keep the deer there in that path.   When I'm up there I'm as close to heaven as i'll ever get for sure It is Gods country.                                                                   BigBill

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« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2003, 02:09:53 AM »
I have heard  young bears doing this at night here in P.A. In my front yard.
 
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« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2003, 09:22:16 AM »
So the next time your out at night and you hear hooting, hoot back the same way copy it exactly and if it hoots back its a bear!!!!!!  I just hope hes not giving you the mating hoot beware!! (I'm kidding) Try it you may be surprised.   I'm up all hours of the night anyway so I listen more for them.                                                               BigBill

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« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2003, 04:14:02 AM »
Hey Bill,
Your a little north of me, where I live is the most dense deer countys in the state. I live on the boarder of Windsor and Windham Countys. The deer heard has taken a hit in the last few years, more than average snow fall and very low winter temps. Last year at my place we had 43 days in a row below zero temps, and the snow started on oct. 7th through the middle of april. Thus causing many deer to starve to death. The coyotes would lay up next to the deer yards and had little problem going the winter.

And about those big cat tracks, Yes we do have lions here but the game & fish will tell you diff.
 
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« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2003, 04:50:28 AM »
:D BB
 You are correct!! A few years back we had a sow that had 4 cubs somehow
 they got scattered and there were 3 of them that were" Hooting". That went
on for around 1/2 hour. I went out on the front porch and hooted a few times
and they would answer Then  it stopped!! I guess she got them gathered up.
Never heard it after that . Since then  we have seen lots of sows with very
small cubs but no more Hooting..
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« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2003, 05:33:39 AM »
I've heard alot of bear noises but nothing I would describe as a hoot.  I would like to hear this to see if it matches anything I've heard in the Catskills or Adirondacks.  
I've heard them huff, growl, bawl, whine, chirp, and bellow.  All while I could see them.  But his hoot sounds like something new to me.
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« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2003, 01:41:04 PM »
Quote from: Dezertyote
Hey Bill,
Your a little north of me, where I live is the most dense deer countys in the state. I live on the boarder of Windsor and Windham Countys. The deer heard has taken a hit in the last few years, more than average snow fall and very low winter temps. Last year at my place we had 43 days in a row below zero temps, and the snow started on oct. 7th through the middle of april. Thus causing many deer to starve to death. The coyotes would lay up next to the deer yards and had little problem going the winter.

And about those big cat tracks, Yes we do have lions here but the game & fish will tell you diff.
 
Good luck hunting this year :grin:


Everytime I step in the woods, mostly in the wild apple orchards I see large cat tracks/sign of them(scat).  This past bear hunting season we had a large cat climb a tree to look for us(to see where we were) You must becareful the hunted can become the hunted with these big cats.  I'm sure they can be stealthy just like bears in dry leaves when they don't want to be heard they go in a stealth mode for sure.  I don't know how they do it but they can be so quiet in dry leaves when they know something is wrong.  I'm going up soon for bear hunting and i can't wait to go.                                                          BigBill

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« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2003, 05:01:37 AM »
There is another thing that will scare the snots out of you too.  One night at my camp after hunting with my brother and my neighbor after supper I was using the outdoor plumbing when i heard this screech/shrill type noise it was so bad the hair on the back of my neck stood up.  After that I talked with my cousin who told me its either a Fisher or an Owl.  The following year me and my son where getting the camp opened up a week before deer season while frying bacon cheese burgers for supper I had the roof vent open so the smell went up the ridge above us.  While eating supper something came by and made the same noise again.  My son got upset my ruger 44mg was above me in the buck over the table within arms reach I told my kid if it comes thru the door its going to see God for sure.  I told my neighbor and his kids in Vermont about it and they laughed at me.   So me and my brother always carried sidearms while hunting bears and my neighbor and his kids made fun of us.  They hunt from tree stands we hunt on the ground? Plus I'm not going to shoot a coyote with my 338 it cost too much for bullets to waste them. Well one night they stopped by for coffee after hunting and they were upset while climbing out their tree stands something close to them in the dark let out a screech/shrill type noise that made the hair on their neck stand up.  The next day they all showed up with sidearms too besides their rifles.  Someone finally shot it.  It wasn't us. It was a Fisher it was killing their chickens.  A Fisher is the fastest north american tree climbing mammal.   I can tell when one is around my camp now their are no chipmunks to be seen or heard its very quiet during the day.  You have to hear this thing to believe it.                                                             BigBill

I'm sure there is a lot of sounds we haven't all heard.

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« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2003, 03:52:23 AM »
Anyone know if fishers exist in Georgia?

I was coming out of my treestand one evening at dark and heard this terrible screehing sound.  It sounded like something was being torn apart.  I was alone and climbed back into that tree in short order.  After about 20 minutes, I got down and out of there as quickly as I could.  Sure would be nice to put a name to that sound.

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« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2003, 04:18:52 AM »
PAhunter:  You will find Fishers, Weasels and Otters all up and down the east coast.  The Fishers are the ones who seem to make the most noise.  Mikey.

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« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2003, 09:01:59 AM »
I have talked to outdoor and wildlife people and most say that fishers don't screech but we do know for sure don't we?  The hairs on the back of your neck stand up for sure.  Its a sound that i'll never forget and for sure it will rattle anyones cage in the dark.  And trust me it is MEAN too. And nothing comes close to that sound!!
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I heard of one guy who has a trap line and in checking it he thought he had someones house cat when it looked at him and growled he took out his handgun and shot it.  It wasn't no pussy cat for sure.  Its larger than a house cat and bobcat and the few i seen i think their around 30lbs maybe more.  From his fangs to his claws he is definitely built for speed and killing.  I know when one is around my camp there is no chipmunks out during the day at all thats the first sign of a fisher is feeding closeby.  If you want to hear him at night just fry some bacon and vent the smell outside and he comeby and will screech for you for sure!!!

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« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2003, 10:05:32 AM »
Could the hair raising sound be a bobcat? Those little suckers can put out a good scream.
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« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2003, 11:19:44 AM »
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Could the hair raising sound be a bobcat? Those little suckers can put out a good scream.


No I have heard them they actually sound like a baby with a cold(sick) Scrachy type scream.                                       BigBill

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« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2003, 11:45:03 PM »
Just a little something I dug up on the little Bugger

Geographic Range
Nearctic: Fishers are found only in North America, from the Sierra Nevada of California to the Appalachians of West Virginia. They range along the Sierra Nevada to it's southernmost extent and south along the Appalachian mountain chain. They do not occur in the prairie or southern regions of the United States. Populations have declined in the southern parts of their range in recent history.

^ Physical Characteristics
Mass: 2000 to 5000 g.

Males average larger than females, with a body length of 900 to 1200 mm in males and 750 to 950 mm in females. Tail length is between 370 and 410 mm in males and 310 to 360 mm in females. Mass is from 3500 to 5000 grams in males and from 2000 to 2500 grams in females. Their coats range from medium to dark brown, with gold to silver hoariness on their head and shoulders, black legs and tail. They may also have a cream chest patch of variable size and shape. Fur color and pattern varies among individuals, sexes and seasons. Fishers have five toes on their feet, and their claws are retractable.

^ Natural History  


^ Food Habits
Fishers are predators, and most of their prey are herbivores. Fishers eat mice, porcupines, squirrels, snowshoe hares, birds, and shrews, and sometimes, other carnivores. They may also feed on fruits and berries, such as beechnuts and apples.

They have also been seen to eat white-tailed deer, though they are most likely scavenging a deer carcass.

Fishers are in competition for food with foxes, bobcats, lynxes, coyotes, wolverines, American martens and weasels. Fishers and American martens are the only medium-sized predators agile in trees that also possess the ability to elongate themselves to seek prey in holes in the ground, hollow trees and other small areas. Fishers are solitary hunters, and seek prey that is their own size or smaller, although they are capable of taking on prey larger than themselves.


^ Reproduction
The breeding season is late winter and early spring. Gestation lasts almost a full year, 11-12 months. The average number of young in a litter is 1-5 (young). Healthy females first breed at age 1, produce their first litter at age 2, and probably breed every year after that. So the female essentially spends almost all of her adult life in a state of pregnancy or lactation. It is not known whether mating is mongamous, polygynous or polyandrous. Most dens in which young fishers are raised are high up in hollow trees, and females may choose to move their young up to several times if the litter is at all disturbed.

There is some sexual dimorphism in body size--both weight and length.


^ Behavior
Fishers are agile and speedy tree climbers. Theyare quite solitary; there is little evidence that they ever travel together, except possibly during the mating season. There has been some observed aggression between males, which supports the notion that they are solitary. Home range size varies from 12-30 kilometers in diameter and 100-800 kilometers in area. Home ranges also seem to overlap extensively. Communication between fishers occurs through scent marking.

Fishers use "resting sites", such as logs, hollow trees, stumps, holes in the ground, brush piles and nests of branches, during all times of the year. Ground burrows are most commonly used in the winter, and tree nests are used all year, but mainly in the spring and fall. During the winter, fishers use snow dens, which are burrows under the snow with long and narrow tunnels leading to them.

Fishers are active during the day and night and may be agile swimmers.


^ Habitat
Fishers prefer continous forests, but they are also found in conifer and hardwood forests. They prefer habitats with high canopy closure. They also prefer habitats with many hollow trees for dens, and they are usually found in forested areas with continous overhead cover. Trees typically found in fisher habitats include, among others, spruce, fir, white cedar and some hardwoods. Also, as would be expected, their habitat preference reflects that of their favored prey species.

Biomes: taiga, temperate forest & rainforest, temperate grassland, mountains

^ Economic Importance for Humans  


^ Positive
Fishers are trapped and killed for their pelts. Trapping, in the past, had a significant effect on fisher populations, but the problem is not as severe now. Fishers hunt porcupines, and can effectively control porcupine populations (porcupines are known to damage timber crops by debarking and killing trees).


^ Negative
In recent years fisher populations in some areas, particularly southern Ontario and New York, have been recovering. In these areas they may be becoming habituated to human presence and venturing into suburban areas. There have been numerous reports of fisher attacks on domestic animals and even children. It is important to recognize that fishers are simply trying to find food and protect themselves. It is important to restrict access to garbage, pet foods, pets, and domestic fowl. When startled, fishers may react aggressively to the perceived threat. Diseased individuals may react unpredictably.

^ Conservation
Status:

IUCN: No special status
U.S. ESA: No special status
CITES: No special status

Logging of forests greatly impacts fishers and fisher populations by destroying their preferred habitat--continous or nearly continous coniferous forests. Fishers are important predators in forest ecosystems of northern North America. Fisher populations seem to do well in appropriate, undisturbed habitat.

Zoos have had a hard time breeding fishers in captivity, but there has been some success. Because there are numerous thriving and healthy fisher populations, there has been little pressure or initiative to develop fisher breeding or maintaining programs in captivity.

In some areas of North America, such as Michigan, Ontario, New York, and some areas of New England, fisher populations seem to have rebounded in recent years.

Fisher populations in the southern Sierra Nevada have been proposed as candidates for protection under the Endangered Species Act.

^ Other Comments
Fishers are generally thought of as secretive and rarely observed. This may be changing in parts of their range as populations re-expand and become habituated to human presence.

Their longevity in the wild is unknown, but they have lived for 10+ years in zoos. Fishers have a low incidence of diseases as well.

^ References
Macdonald, David. (editor) The Enclopedia of Mammals. Facts on File Publications, NY. 1984

Powell, Roger A. The FIsher: Life History, Ecology, and Behavior. University of Minnesota Press, MN. 1993.

Johnson and Todd. Fisher, Behavior in Proximity to Human Activity. Canadian Field Naturalist 99 (3) 1985.

Arthur, Krohn and Gilbert. Habitat Use and Diet of Fishers. Journal of Wildlife Management 53 (3) 1989.
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« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2003, 11:37:54 AM »
Like I said these flatlanders in Ct think their cute to watch sure????
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« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2003, 05:10:46 AM »
I just got back from my camp in Vermont the trailer needed fixin we were patching the floor at 8:30 at night when the hooting came within 15yds from the trailer that close we were working with the door open and the hootin lasted about ten minutes and it left after an hour we could still hear it down the other end of the valley a lilttle later so I chimed in and hooted back for about 2 minutes and stopped.  Then in about 30 minutes I had the hooter back again at my camp it stayed for a while then left for the night.  It was also a full moon night with awesome animal action we had company all night from different animals even a fisher cameby too.  BigBill

I think it was a CUB or it just left its mother to be on its own it was a lower  baby type hoot.