And this is legal under islamic law.

[SHOOTALL]

It is truely time for change , change back to what this country was founded on !

[powderman]

NGH. Well said and all true. The sooner folks wake up and see islam for the cancer and Godless cult it is, and treat it as such,  the better off we'll all be. POWDERMAN. 

[Hooker]

No phobia here just an extreme dislike.
There are however a few Fecalmixers that is pronounced Fee-cal-mix-er

Pat

[SHOOTALL]

When the foolish have all gone who will be left ?

[SHOOTALL]

When a people are willing to kill themselves along with others  to meet their maker in the first place , whats wrong with sending them aid ? one fire mission at a time ?

[powderman]

When a people are willing to kill themselves along with others  to meet their maker in the first place , whats wrong with sending them aid ? one fire mission at a time ?

YEP. They want to meet allah, we should help expedite that journey to hell and arrange that meeting. POWDERMAN. 

[no guns here]

Hmmm... I don't find that I'm a xenophobe at all.  In fact tonight I ate dinner at a German restaurant surrounded by Germans and didn't feel one bit of fear, hatred, distrust, dislike or even general unease.  Likewise a couple of weeks ago I was in France for the day and didn't feel the least bit of any of the above.  Queasy yes, but I think that was the lack of hygeine that was evidenced by the massive BO put off by the guy next to us in the restaurant.  Nope... not a xenophobe at all.  Been to 19 different countries and 47 states.  In fact I very much LIKE to meet and interact with folks from other countries.  It's great to be able to get their views on the world, the US and just to talk with them.  Most of them have pretty good food and nice countries.  Maybe not like home, but then they think the same thing when they visit the US.  Two of the churches that I have attended have been dominated by Africans.  At one we had something like 13 different African nations along with the Netherlands, Belgium, the US and GB represented.  So NO, I am not a xenophobe in any sense of the word.  I thoroughly enjoyed being assigned to NATO.  On a daily basis I worked with soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines from GB, France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany and one very stubborn Major who professed to be SCOTTISH by blood and by birth and not related in the least to England!  I think that I just may have adequately refuted your assertion of "xenophobe".


What I am is a realist.  I don't look for hidden meanings in every news story.  I look at the overall picture and look at general trends.  I don't believe in massive, historical, worldwide conspiracies.  I do believe that islam is of the devil and should be destroyed.  That's my opinion.  I base that on my knowledge of the Bible.  No, I haven't read the Koran and I don't intend to.  Why would I wish to read Satan's writing?  I'm not a "Zionist" but I do believe the Jews are God's chosen people.  I don't pretend to be a know-it-all.  I don't pretend that I'm the only one with the inside scoop.  I don't make apologetics for the islamist or muslims.  I believe they and their kind will trigger the next global conflict AND that they will attempt to make a first strike.  The next global conflict WILL make WWI and WWII combined pale in comparison.  We will be FORCED at that point to fight an irregular war in our own borders against those islamists and muslims that we have allowed to live and flourish within our borders.


TM7, you have spouted your beliefs about the Jews, the islamists, western society, historical transgressions, the bible and various other related subjects.  You consistently espouse a view point that MIRRORS modern, left-wing, radical liberals and the media that they control.  What I can't understand is WHY you stay on this site as much as you do?  More and more I believe you are only a troll who gets his kicks by stirring up trouble, hatred and discontent.  I believe your only mission here on GBO is to attempt to "divide and conquer".  Why, if you don't believe in ANY of the causes that the VAST majority of GBO member stand for, do you stay here?  Why not go away an post your liberal, islamist dribble on a site more welcoming of your views?

I tried reasonable arguments on some leftist, anti-gun, anti-hunting, liberal sites a couple of years ago.  After getting cursed at, verbally spat upon and banned from several sites for presenting rational views, I left those sites.  I was smart enough to realize that I would make no difference or headway there.  At least in your case, we haven't cursed you and you haven't been banned.  I realize you have the right to say what you feel you must, I just don't understand why you keep chosing to say it HERE...


NGH

[billy_56081]

It's kind of funny how the people here who have actually been to the ME and mixed with the filthy muslim scum are the ones who have no time for them. Then we get the antisemites who have never left thier mothers basement who try to convince us who have seen Islam firsthand that Islam is not a cancerous cult.

NGH it sounds like you are one of the latter who has seen the cult of Islam first hand and knows what it really is.  I have to laugh at the frujit loops who keep trying to tell us not to believe out own experiances but to believe in some silly kindergarten super secret conspiracy.

I say lets get it over with, I want to have my BBQ. Are ya coming TM?

[powderman]

NOGUNSHERE. I concur 110%. I've tried for years to figure tm out. In ALL The years I've read his drivel I've NEVER EVER seen  him say anything good about America. Since he's always against America, Jews, Israel, and totally backs the Godless ones I've always figured he was muslim, not sure what country though. We had a guy here once that said he spoke like a pakistani, just don't know. You pretty well have him pegged though. Has anybody, ANYBODY here ever seen him say anything good about the United States of America??? I haven't. POWDERMAN. 

[ironglow]

Noguns;
  Thank you for a reasoned, sensible explanation of what is actually happening. You explanations are completely logical and are being proven more each day.
   
TM;
  I am compelled to attempt a correct your misuse of the term Xenophobia. The explanation of the term shows exactly why you are incorrect in applying that word. The explanation says it must be an "unreasonable fear" of strangers. I maintain that the pheonomenon we are discussing here is not "unreasonable" nor is it "fear".
   After being attacked and thousands of our citizens and soldiers murdered by such people of like mind, plus seeing hundreds of thousands murdered in much the same way in other parts of the world...I submit that it is not "unreasonable".
   Joining others here in saying it is not "fear" so much as RAGE or DISGUST which drives their opinions !
   You have seen how it is our troops who are willing to go forth in full uniform to fight face-to-face with a diabolical enemy who prefers to load up children & mentally handicapped with explosives and even upon occasion..dress in birkas to avoid face-to-face combat..so I ask:..  Who appears more afraid

  Meanwhile, view this video of a young Saudi who was lied to by the terrorists (isn't lying a sin in Islam?) and is paying a terrible price for it:

   http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=45f_1181912223

   
   

[no guns here]

I've pretty much stayed out of this hate fest and I haven't 'spouted' anything...just gave a responsible truth based conservative viewpoint countering your reactionary war party emotional based rants that you volcano out as self appointed acting political officer; and this apparently causes distress and cognitive dissonance in yourself...that's a good sign...it means you still have some conscience left to work with. Then you think I'm stirring up hatred and trouble....do you look in the mirror when you shave? Why don't you read some of your own posts for a change to see what real hate based xenophobic rhetoric looks like.  Guys like you and your point of view run this country down actually; especially when they try to shutdown real discussion and other points of view thusly trying to turn everything into a Nazi based totalitarianism....(how do they get you to do that anyway?)  There is a few guys here at GB's that do share many of my points of view, fyi.
When it comes to condemning and incinerating 1/2 of the world, or participating in other crimes, along with you xenophobes you can count me out, and furthermore good Americans should get in your face about it...and this is about the size of it in 2009A.D.  Did you ever get those questions answered by your CO or Senator...I guess not, huh?
You want unanimity go down to the lodge, put your blindfold on, cumbaiya and chant your vows.

I guess you can resume your plans for a burnt offering to your master, now.

Wow... I'm not sure I EVER seen such use of adjectives in my life.  How many dictionary's and thesauri did you have to use to find all of those words?

Actually, NO, I don't look in the mirror when I shave.  I shave by feel in the shower.  But that was just a rhetorical question on your part.  Thanks for the paragraph that started with the saintly self view "responsible truth based conservative viewpoint ".  At what point do you get to decide what is "truth"?  Perhaps you are ordained to present the "truth" much as the liberal media is.  I see NOTHING conservative in your social and political views.  Throw the words around but I'm a big boy and I don't really get stirred up about your individual views.  What gets me is that you seem to LIKE stirring up the place here.  You have nothing in common with most of us yet you continue on... amazin
All... notice that I asked pointed questions of TM7 in my last point and yet he refuses to answer.  However, he DOES put together a pretty good written character assissination doesn't he.


Just another point... " trying to turn everything into a Nazi based totalitarianism...." doesn't apply to me at all.  I have absolutely NO interest in totalitarianism.  Notice my post in the "imcumbents" thread.  I specifically outline my points and plan to ELIMINATE anything that would enable totalitarianism.  For some reason, you can't seem to differentiate between freedom and totalitarianism.  You denigrate and demean anyone who posts views on American freedom, traditions, customs and courtesies yet you consistently UPHOLD and advocate for some of the most totalitarian regimes, nations and religions in the world.  Christianity is based entirely on personal choice and freewill.  Islam is based entirely upon controlling whole portions of populations, forcibly converting other races and cultures or killing them.  I'm sure you will try to deny this but we all see through it.  Not a day goes by that we don't hear or read about women getting lashes for wearing pants, getting stoned for being raped, getting killed for having pre-marital sex and on and on and on.  This is freedom?  Not a day goes by that we don't hear about muslims burning or killing Christians, burning churches, burning homes etc.  Is this the freedom you believe in?

You're right, I do sometimes post some controversial topics.  Sometimes it's to feel out the sentiments here.  Sometimes I'm just ticked off and want to vent.  One thing I try not to do is to directly attack another.  I point out what they are doing but I try not to call names.  Keep it rational and relatively impersonal in rhetoric if you can.  If you can't or won't answer questions just act like a big boy and say so.  Kids attack other kids.  Grown-ups talk and debate.  You may not agree with what I'm saying but just as you are allowed to voice your views, I am allowed to voice mine.

GB is tolerant of such things as long as they don't degenerate into personal attacks.  My questions of you aren't attacks.  You however tried to smoke me...

I still say that we need to trash these islamists.  You support their desire to destroy Israel, the Jews and freedom in general.  I see their destruction as a viable alternative to our destruction.



Wow... I rambled a bit and didn't stay on topic.  My old Comp 101 instructor would kick my butt for writing like this. 


NGH

[no guns here]

You want unanimity go down to the lodge, put your blindfold on, cumbaiya and chant your vows.

Oh, I missed this one... sorry to post again on this but...

What lodge?  I am a member of NO organization that has a lodge.  I am not and will not be a member of any such organizations.  I don't need a blindfold.  I don't sing cumbaya nor do I chant vows.

I have no idea where this came from...  TM7 must have me confused with someone else on this one.

I don't want unanimity, I just wonder why you hang around.  I enjoy the discussions.  I guess if it really bothered me, I would attack folks personally...

NGH

[ironglow]

TM;
     I can't imagine just what "Bible" you are reading..but there is no Biblical reference to 250,000 "hardcore Moslem brotherhood psycho killers". In fact, Islam, Muslim (Moslem), Mohammed (Muhamad) are not even mentioned in the Bible. The Bible does however, mention "false gods" and the religion of the Anti-Christ, if that is where you prefer to place Islam; but that is your choice to make !
  And your claim of my "condemning 1/2 the world to a nuclear holocaust"..I defy you to find where I ever endorsed that !
 
   Your statement, "God never intended the world to be diseased, troubled and at war"..partly true...  He never intended it, but ahen Satan fell..God knew such kind of troubles were coming. God himself repeated such warnings again in (Mark 3) and (Matthew 24). God
intended Eden to last forever..but man fell.
  Man fell, even to the point of doing Satan's will by blowing themselves up in order to murder as many innocents as possible.


  BTW: Did you view the video ? It's very informative...

[ironglow]

  You just have to understand that this particular conflict would stop today if the Islamic ones would keep Islam where it has traditionally been and leave places like the US , Israel and the western world alone.
   That would stop the conflict..rather simple, huh ?

[Oldshooter]

land gabbers

even if you meant "grabbers" explain that one please!

Please dont mention Israel or myn head is gonna explode!

[no guns here]

Ohhh my now the news reports from many sources "don't hold water".  Yet obscure reports and studies from who knows where do... well at least if you post them.  Done with that... TM7 knows more about an act of violence than three or four of the biggest news agencies in the world.  You my friend are obviously omniscient.


So... truth is what a person believes when it is different from what someone else believes?  Makes sense to me... NOT.


Who says your version of "facts" is most correct?

I have never advocated for shutting down viewpoints that don't agree with mine.  Please point to one instance where I have told someone to shut up, to go away or anything like that...  What I have done is repeatedly ask the question "Why do you stay on this site?"  I'm not sure anyone agrees with your Islamic centrist view of the world on here.  You get dogged time and again for your liberal, US-hating, Islam loving statements.  Unless you just LIKE to start problems, or unless your JOB is to come to conservative sites and try to divide and conquer, I can't see any benefit to you for being here.  People don't normally continue in non-mandatory associations that don't benefit them in some way...  Again... Why?


Ok, I must have missed the question about my CO and my Senator.  What was it?

Well la-ti-da... you have a degree in comparative religion.  Now you MUST be correct since you have a degree right?  Sort of crazy... 100 doctors will come up with 25 different diagnosis.  I've been to see my doctor three times for the same injury and he has given me THREE different diagnosis.  Wow... a degree is authoritative...  not saying that education isn't beneficial but...  I have a degree in Computer Science.  I have two certifications as well.  There are lot of time that I get a trouble ticket wrong... sometimes I have to have an outside viewpoint to show me the obvious problem that I had overlooked.

Hmmm... the Koran from what I know of it disagrees with the Bible.  It totally invalidates and contravenes the diety of Jesus Christ.  I just can't believe that something that totally contravenes the inspired word of God is holy and correct.  Sorry, your degree in comparative religions will have to go it alone on this one.  I won't try to nit-pick this with you.  You have probably studied all three religions quite a bit more than I have.  However, no Jew, Muslim, Hindu, or whatever will shake my faith in the Bible as the inspired word of God, in the diety of Jesus Christ and part of the tri-une Godhead and my faith that confession of sins, asking for forgiveness and belief in Jesus Christ as the only Saviour.  Sorry... not up for discussion on those issues.

Ok well... let's say that we go with your point of view and let the muzzies control the world.  Your grandkids or greatgrandkids will be wearing burka's and bowing to a false god five times a day.  Your female descendents will be beat for transgressions.  They may be killed for certain "sins".  Sin patrols and religious police will patrol the streets watch for violators with whips in hand.  Must sound good to you.

If we take my course we push them back to their recent historical limits at a minimum.  Our grandkids and greatgrandkids get to live a more "normal" and free life.

Of course GB's pretty sure about this 2012 thing I think.  It may all be a moot point by 2013...

[Sourdough]

I've been in the Middle East, lived amongst them and feel I understand them.  There is no such thing as a moderate moslem.  They are just the ones not out front taking part in the jihad.  They fully back it.  You have never seen, and will never see, the moderate ones out protesting against jihad. 

It's too late for America, they are here in too large a number already.  Their numbers are growing daily, both here in the US and in Canada.  Using our laws to farther their cause, and our government is too set in it's ways to do anything about it.  They have schools here teaching their violent beliefs and teaching jihad against their protectors here in this country, and hiding behind our laws.  Laughing at our stupidity in allowing them to do things they never would allow us to do against them.

The people here in America that get involved with Islam, do not fully understand what is going on with that religion or they would run as fast as they could to be away from it.  Instead they accept the brainwashing and take part in the Jihad themselves.

Islam is not a religion where one has any liberty, and I will never live under it again.  I will do my part if given the chance to see that everyone of them is removed from the face of the earth.  Just like they feel about us.  I for one would push that big red button, and have no regrets.

I started this thread to try and let people see just how bad it really is.  Some people have blinders on, or are too stupid to see what is going on in the rest of the world.  The non Islamist time is short for this earth.  They are the Antichrist.

[billy_56081]

It's sad  that some are so blinded by their anti semetic hatred of Israel that they cannot see that Islam is the true danger.

[powderman]

NGH. Once again you hit it on the head. Good post, and true. I lost 2 neices to that Godless cult islam. They renounced Jesus as Lord and Saviour and adopted the devils ways. Not even sure where they are now, at one time they went to Egyp, Saudi, and somewhere else with their Godless husbands.  POWDERMAN. 

[billy_56081]

I can't imagine anyone that cannot see Islam for the cancer it is. I'm not sure if it is haterd or ignorance of the obvious. Is it Naziism or Islamofacism that blinds the ingnorant to the obvious. I am glad so many here have not been mislead so much that they have become stupid enough to disbelieve there own experiance. I cannot believe that anyone who has been outside of thier mothers basement could be so foolish to fall for the Islamic propaganda. I have to laugh because I think TM is actually just playing a part, no one and I meen no one who has actually been out of thier moms basement can actually believe that Islam is good and peaceful and Israel bad and an aggressor. 


Obviously you are being facetious TM.

[powderman]

BILLY. True, unless one is a muslim. POWDERMAN. 

[no guns here]

And that was one of NGH's questions to find out from his CO or Senator; namely, why are we planning and plotting to wipe out 1/2 of humanity while allowing free immigration from those same countries to these states....how is that reconciled?

You want me to ask my CO

why are we planning and plotting to wipe out 1/2 of humanity while allowing free immigration from those same countries to these states....how is that reconciled?

Unless I missed something I'm not sure why my CO would be involved in some nefarious scheme to wipe out 1/2 of humanity.  I'm not aware of any plan to do so.  Well at least nothing other than the decades old doctrine of MAD in the cold war.  Unless you have some specific plan you want me to ask about I can't see hitting up a 4-star for this type of question.  If you are referring to my statements... well, those aren't plans.  Simply an observation on my part.

So which media are we supposed to believe?  Personally I hit about 8-10 websites a day for a quick review.  Yes, most are mainstream.  Some aren't...  Some of my "news" comes from daily briefings.  I guess Al Jazeera is a better news source than Fox, CNN, and military intel.

Meanwhile, I hope your job entails limited responsibility given your propensity for emotional jumping to conclusions and light powers of mentation.

Yet more personal slurs...  thanks for once again making personal attacks like that.

Now back to my question to you which you have YET to answer.  Why do you continue on GBO?  Notice I have never asked you to leave or to shut up, I'm just asking WHAT do you get from being here?  If I went to the corner coffee shop and got beat up every day I'd quit going there.  Your prescence here is akin to me walking into the PETA headquarters and starting a conversation about hunting and continueing to do so day after day.  Eventually I'd get tired of the fuss and realize that I won't change their minds or views.  I'd then probably change my daily visit and start stopping by NRA headquarters.  You seem to like to cause problems.  I think you would continue to visit PETA just for something to do...

NGH

[powderman]

NGH. Once again, you are right. When tm talks about us, he dosn't mean us, as in Americans, he's talking about HIS people, muslims. POWDERMAN. 

[no guns here]

You seem to get your feathers ruffled real easy when confronted with concepts varying or contrary to your political indoctrination....maybe you should work on that instead of attacking that/who which is presenting such concepts

Me?  Do you ever look in the mirror when you shave?

Your desire to shut down exchanges indicates something.....

yet again... When have I ever tried to shut down any exchange of ideas?

seem to get your feathers ruffled real easy when confronted with concepts varying or contrary to your political indoctrination....

No political indoctrination... my views are purely mine.  They happen to be conservative for the most part although I tend more and more to a liberal viewpoint involving personal environmental issues.  Mostly that viewpoint is due to the ability to save money in the long term than anything to do with "saving the earth".  My political views tend (unfortunately in some ways) to the "lesser of two evils".  My views on military engagements tends, as all now know, to be more of the "do unto them a whole lot more before they do unto you".  I'm not touchy-feely about stuff.  I don't fear other peoples or nations purely out of fear.  I fear them for what they are trying to do to us.  I don't believe that everything in history is due to an over-arching, hidden, plan manipulated over the centuries by a secret group of monetary power brokers.  Sure, some things were done for profit.  Some things were put in motion by other than governmental forces.  However, I have little ability to believe that history has been manipulated by this secret cabal of the hyper-rich. 

Your desire to shut down exchanges indicates something.....and I got an idea what it is.  Oh....I got alot of guns, too.

I have to admit... you lost me with this one.  What does any of this have to do with owning guns?

I find it hard to believe that you come here to share my visions.  Our outlook on the world is so totally different...

NGH