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Offline mrbigtexan

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casted actions?
« on: October 01, 2009, 07:48:15 PM »
i was reading about bolt action rugers and noticed that one article said that some rugers had casted actions. is this true? which ones are they? said that they flex too much. it also said thats why you don't see them in long range competition. all info is appreciated.
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Re: casted actions?
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2009, 12:47:42 AM »
The correct term is cast not casted and yes it's true of all Ruger guns. They use a lost wax casting process and while some are unhappy with that as opposed to a forging it really is a moot point in my opinion. I don't think it has anything to do with their accuracy or lack there of.

Some Ruger guns seem to shoot well for some folks or at least so they report. I've NOT had that result with the majority of them I've owned other than the rimfires. Still the process by which they make their actions is hardly reason to not chose them.
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Re: casted actions?
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2009, 02:22:01 AM »
Like all brands some ore good and others lack . I shot several 44 super BH's in IMHSA and they were good to 200 meters with open sights . never noticed flex . The bolt action rifles i have all shoot very well , one being a 300 WM that will stay in an inch or so at 100 yards if i do my part again no flex noted . The mini 14 and mini30 guns i have owned and shot were not great on occasion any of them would shoot a good group but not 100% of the time but that was not there reason for being .
 The cast vs forged is interesting in that it is old vs new. When a metal is forged the middle can have a flaw that is not detected until machined or maybe not until failure of the part if that happens . The process is really perfected and flaws seldom happen now days . When you cast you can pour exact amounts and weights for the volume you are moulding so there is no room for a flaw to exist in . When you forge the strength of the metal directional , if the part will see presure from one direction more than others this is ok . casting on the other hand has strength in all directions . Casting allows parts to be cast close to finish spec and reduce cost of machine work . I like and use a S&W revolver so I have no ax to grind . I can tell you from first hand experince a Ruger Red Hawk is stronger than a S&W mod 29 . I miss that 29 .
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Re: casted actions?
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2009, 04:48:36 AM »
AFAIK, the only rifle action (receiver) that Ruger machined from a solid block ILO investment casting was the original .44 Auto Carbine.

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Re: casted actions?
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2009, 01:04:36 PM »
  Ruger has been one of the country's leaders in casting and metalurgy for a while now.  They make a LOT of stuff for other firearms manufacturers, the auto industry all the way to aerospace stuff.  Good chance they know what they're doing after all these years.  never have heard of such a process give flexable results either.

http://ruger.com/Casting/index.html
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Re: casted actions?
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2009, 03:44:31 AM »
Didn't they make the first BIG BERTHA golf clubs ?
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Re: casted actions?
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2009, 06:14:06 PM »
forgings verse castings--really not a whole lot of difference when it comes to firearms. As a machinist I have encountered both  many times. As has been noted above--there can be bad places in a forging, but it doesn't happen often. Castings on the other hand quit often have voids, sand, and other periosity in them. Strength wise, they usually end up about the same--maybe forgings have a bit of an edge on strength. Machining wise--castings are easier to machine, but eat up more cutting tools becouse of the periosity. Neither is as easy to machine as bar stock. Both can be heat treated after machining, but for many applications don't really need to be heat treated. and both are harder/tougher than bar stock.

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Re: casted actions?
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2009, 07:58:58 AM »
Back, years ago when RUGER was the new kid on the block as far as centerfire bolt actions, this subject was hashed over at length.

It came down the the fact that the investment castings RUGER used were as strong or stronger then anything on the market.

I know GB is not a RUGER fan, while I on the other hand have a tendency to favor the "little guy /new kid on the block" if and when he is showing good quality at an equal or better price then the "name" manufactures.

That was years ago, and RUGER is no longer the new kid, but I have enjoyed many RUGERS and continue to do so.

My newest RUGER, and a replacement for a "Big/Old" name product is everything the "name" product wasn't, accurate and consistant!

I know every manufacture can have a bad one, but RUGER has served me well since the first Single Six back about 1962 and I have no reason to change.

Keep em coming!

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