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Re: Low velocity WFCGC 44 Mag for Deer
« Reply #30 on: May 08, 2009, 10:34:42 AM »
In my 6&12/2" S&W I get 1000-1100 fps with 10 grains of Unique, depending on humidity, barimetric pressure, and temperature?
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Re: Low velocity WFCGC 44 Mag for Deer
« Reply #31 on: June 12, 2009, 04:22:31 PM »
All this talk about meplat size has me wondering if a smaller diameter bullet like a .357 had the same meplat size as a 44 bullet, would the damage be the same given enough energy to get the same penetration? I was thinking about that the other  day when I was sizing some .30 cal bullets, and found that the .25 caliber nose punch I had was the best fit........

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Re: Low velocity WFCGC 44 Mag for Deer
« Reply #32 on: June 13, 2009, 09:10:02 AM »
Rimfire-

A lot of opinions here, so let me give you mine-

I have shot a lot of deer (at least 50 or so) with hard cast lead Keith semi-waddcutters, and hard cast bullets with large flat noses out of 44 mags, 44 specials, 45 long colts, and 45 acp's, all with bullets ranging from 230 grain (in the .45 acp) to 300 grain, all at about 875 fps (again, in the 45 acp) to 1000 fps.

As long as I aim for the heart, or lungs, I have almost always gotten complete thru and thru penitration, a very good blood trail, and usually a deer that runs 15 to 40 or so yards, bleeding like a stuck pig, who then falls over and dies. 

I have shot a few with XTP's and the above mentioned hard cast slugs out of 44 mag's at max velocity (around 1300 - 1500 fps), and have noticed, maybe, slightly faster kills, but not so that, to me, it is worth the extra muzzle blast and recoil.  Long ago, I setteled on a 250/270 grain Keith at 1000 fps as my standard hunting load for deer.  That being said, I often carry the same bullet loaded at max velocity when I am out running my camera in the woods during the Moose rut up in Maine.  The one time I really felt I had to shoot in self defence against a moose, I grabbed a 16 ounce high pressure OC (pepper spray) dispenser I was carrying, and it worked like magic.  That bull reared up on his hind legs like a horse, sneezing and grunting, snot flying everywere.  He ran thru the brush and sapplings like a train, never slowing down.  I don't know a handgun would have been more effective..

The thing you are looking for is a bullet with enough weight and velocity for good penitration, and a large, flat nose, or sharp shoulder, to cut a good clean hole, and that it be of decent diamiter.  The deer bleeds out quick, and its over.  Remember, "shock" does not play a big role.  Gut shot deer who have been hit with 7mm mag's run away all the time - A handgun has much less "shock", or "energy", and relies on placement and dammage to vital organs.

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Re: Low velocity WFCGC 44 Mag for Deer
« Reply #33 on: June 14, 2009, 01:21:52 AM »
Larry you said it well!
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Re: Low velocity WFCGC 44 Mag for Deer
« Reply #34 on: June 14, 2009, 03:07:10 AM »
You might also look into the cast bulet section.  Veral has alot of info based on his vast experience testing cast loads and actual kill data.

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Re: Low velocity WFCGC 44 Mag for Deer
« Reply #35 on: June 14, 2009, 03:49:59 AM »
blhof, where on Veral's forum are you finding this info, within threads?
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Re: Low velocity WFCGC 44 Mag for Deer
« Reply #36 on: June 14, 2009, 12:26:20 PM »
Both in the cast bullet forum and Ask Veral.  You have to go back a few pages, but he has alot of useful info on using cast bullets.  If you don't find an answer to your specific question; ask him, he gives detailed replies.

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Re: Low velocity WFCGC 44 Mag for Deer
« Reply #37 on: June 19, 2009, 08:34:17 PM »
BTB makes good bullets but it takes months sometimes to get them.

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Re: Low velocity WFCGC 44 Mag for Deer
« Reply #38 on: September 24, 2009, 06:51:06 PM »
In reading this thread it is difficult to try to determine what cartridge you are talking about. The original poster opened with .44 Magnum. Some just say .44 and give a load. Does that poster mean .44 Special brass or .44 Magnum brass. It sure can make a difference.  We really need to be more specific.

Just a suggestion...

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Re: Low velocity WFCGC 44 Mag for Deer
« Reply #39 on: September 24, 2009, 08:53:16 PM »
Hello Dale 53

In the original question, the poster was concerned about the deer killing ability of a 44 lead slug at about 1000 fps.  The key here is bullet weight, design, and velocity.  It really does not matter if that 250 grain WNL slug at 1000 fps came out of a 44 spec., a 44 mag., or a 44/40, or a 45 LC for that matter.  Now what specific cartridge being used is another question.  Any of those talked about in this post can do the 250 grn at 1000 fps trick with the right load and gun, even the 45 acp when fired in a Ruger SA.  The question of specific loads is best answered in a good reloading manual.

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Re: Low velocity WFCGC 44 Mag for Deer
« Reply #40 on: September 25, 2009, 12:31:48 AM »
I second the 6 grns of Trail Boss under 240 grn 44 Mag.  Trail Boss designed exclusivly for cast bullets.  In my 10 inch TC burns clean and has mild recoil, NO LEADING!  Fills case to just under bullet.  All +++++s.
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Re: Low velocity WFCGC 44 Mag for Deer
« Reply #41 on: September 25, 2009, 03:44:00 AM »
the boar I shot a few weeks ago with the 255g keith at 12-1300 FPS punched clean through both shoulders (and the heart) and it ran about 40 yards and that was it..

to me, it's an easy shooting load

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Re: Low velocity WFCGC 44 Mag for Deer
« Reply #42 on: September 25, 2009, 08:36:19 AM »
Congrats on the boar! I have an order from BTB for some WFNGC 250gr coming next week and look forward to working up a load. I have a hunting load for the 240 XTP/HP already but have yet to put it to use.

I see mention of ribs and lungs in the thread but my thoughts with the hardcast is to anchor the critter so I plan to punch the shoulders be it on a deer or hog. I hope to get sufficient accuracy to be able to shoot out to 75yds at least - though hopefully closer actual hunting conditions....

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Re: Low velocity WFCGC 44 Mag for Deer
« Reply #43 on: September 25, 2009, 03:40:44 PM »
In the articles I read by Mileck he always prefered to anchor by breaking the nearside shoulder.  You are in good company with that thinking. 8)  Best of luck!
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