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« on: August 27, 2009, 08:19:41 AM »
 i got a letter wanting me to fill out a survey ...also letting me know the organization needs contributions... can anybody advise me as to this organization... any input appreciated slim

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« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2009, 08:28:35 AM »
Send your money to the NRA.

I have never seen a list of accomplishments by the 2nd amendment foundation.
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Re: second ammendment foundation..
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2009, 09:06:34 AM »
It's a good outfit. They've done a hell of a lot less to hurt our rights than has the NRA. GOA is better but it's a good outfit that does positive things for gun owners and unlike the NRA never stabs us in the back.


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« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2009, 09:12:35 AM »
So over all the NRA does more harm than good ? I know of a few things they did i didn't care for but they seem to do alot of good . GB am i missing something ? just asking
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« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2009, 12:25:42 PM »
if it was me id want to know the type house the head men,, abide in..
 lotto money gettin spent...what car gets them to an fro...
 i know what id like to find,,, should i pursue these questions..

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« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2009, 12:56:34 PM »
The 2A Foundation and GOA may be fine organizations but they don't have any where near the members, money or clout that the NRA has.   Is the NRA perfect?... no, but name a large organization that is.

One thing I think the NRA does is choose their battles wisely.  They don't waste money on fights they know they can't win.  This may be why GB and others here don't like the NRA because they don't throw their hat into every ring.

The NRA gets my gun rights dollars first, then if there is any left over I will contribute to the 2AF or GOA.

GB, please provide one example of what the NRA has done to "hurt our rights".  I'm at a loss.
 

   
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« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2009, 01:02:25 PM »
I've posted and proved it a hundred times but you NRA supporters refuse to see anything other than what the NRA tells you. I'm done wasting my time repeating what I've said dozens of time. Look it up for yourself. They are behind every gun law passed in the last 30 years telling the congress sure we can live with that. They are nothing but a compromise organization. The thing is there is no compromise it's all give from our side and take from the other.

If the NRA had never claimed to get into politics and stayed in firearms training like they started out as we'd likely never have had 90% of the gun laws we have today.


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« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2009, 01:29:13 PM »
I give to many of the pro gun orgs. NRA is certainly not perfect but I'm a life member and have been for years. 2nd Amendment Foundation is a very good one. I've been a member with them for years and plan to continue to be.
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« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2009, 02:29:20 PM »
 well i don t have the money to contribute to many but this org .. looks like is calling
the anti s hand every chance they get... im not anti nra...so lets see a list of thier
 projects an pending cases they are sponsering right now...
 the truth is all im after... not a dignified looking leader who can give good talks..
  im not so good looking but ive given good talks... they were asigned talks an afterward i always cared
as much about the subject as cold hominy grits...
 so where are nra speakers speaking tonight,,,what current cases that pertain to gun owners are they involved in an sponcering...im bettin  the naacp has a list half mile long..
if they walkin the walk we need to know it ..an it oughta be getting better publicity...
 

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« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2009, 02:56:04 PM »
heck i left to take care of matters with the dog...thinking id comeback to many nra supporters list of cases the nra is fighting now ,,, now... must be the wrong time of the night...ill just google it i guess
  ok not a thorough search but i went over it looking for what the nra is actually involved in...
  lotta advice ,,,call you congressman etc..
  wheres the list where they jump in an help individual gunowners who may be being prosecuted
in truth by anti gunners..
  this type support will give the powers that be pause ,,in thier persecution of gun owners ..
 i glad i ask the question about the second amentment foundation now..
 with what they doing now...just wonder what they could do using thier methods of getting involved in cases where ever they can..that is if they had the nra money  coming in...
  well imagine that we may have a figure head org...pretending to represent us..
now i said may..mabe we ll see a list of cases the nra is involved in yet..in any case we live an learn,huh.. slim

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« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2009, 03:14:51 PM »
SAF has more lawsuits going in more places than all the rest.
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« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2009, 06:15:48 AM »
If the NRA had never claimed to get into politics and stayed in firearms training like they started out as we'd likely never have had 90% of the gun laws we have today.

GB, I would appreciate it if you would explain this more clearly, I know the NRA is not perfect, but how are they responsible for 90% of the gun laws?  I think one of prudent judgement would agree that political circumstances, the Kennedys, Regan, Martin Luther King, just to name a few, played the bigest role on passage of many gun laws.  Who was the leader when Congress and Clinton wanted to outlaw "assult weapons?"

The NRA has it's problems, but I think their move into politics has definately been benificial to the gun owners.

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« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2009, 08:17:41 AM »
GB, It would appear that not everybody shares your opinion of the NRA.   Purhaps if you got a copy of this book you too may see what the NRA has done for us and is still doing.

 http://www.amazon.com/Outgunned-Against-NRA-Complete-Insider/dp/product-description/B0000C7BMZ
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« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2009, 11:41:00 AM »
I've explained it in detail a million times. OK slight exaggeration maybe only 950 thousand times.

LaPierre is a buddy with the anti politicians. Each time a major gun law has been passed it was only after the NRA told the pro gun or nutral guys that "we'll be able to live with that". They pretend to be on our side and yet give up our Constitutionally protected rights. They are an enemy of the US as much so as osama obama is. they are all in bed together and all working for the same masters in my opinion. The sooner folks figure that out and start sending money to NO COMPROMISE pro gun outfits and not to the NRA the sooner such BS will end. IF GOA and Second Amendment Foundation along with Jews for the Preservation of Gun Rights had the funding of the NRA this country wouldn't be in the mess it is today.


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« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2009, 03:13:55 PM »
Okay let me put the question to you another way.  Name one pro-gun bill, law or legal case that the SAF or GOA have gotten passed or won in court? 
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« Reply #15 on: August 30, 2009, 10:29:36 AM »
thats stuff that doesn t build power...just strong behind doors stuff that we have no understanding of...
 now if they got involved in personal cases where gun owners rights were involved ...that makes headlines ,,which in turn produces power of the masses ... so many of which have learned to cipher the truth from the medias biased reporting...
 you let the gunowners make shows of power in mass...in quiet marches with solem faces...
 they ll show thier hand one way or the other then... the cards are all on the table then,,except one hold card...
 that will give our boys in uniform the oportunity to choose who they stand with...
  after that its just how that card falls..we way outnumber the military...
 they way out gun us,,plus they are organized ...we arn t an im pretty convinced never will be..
 they got the body sensors an snipers we got hunters an snipers..
 our cause is just an i won t be a part of  facist or unjust organization..
 our cause is protection of the constitution an individual rights..
thiers is civil order by controlling a whole population  in every way.....
  in the end it depends on whether the lord supports us or not...
 we ve become a very corrupt people...
 should they dominate us for a hundred years won t matter to him...
 many times hes allowed believers in him to suffer,,for one reason or the other..

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« Reply #16 on: August 30, 2009, 06:44:30 PM »
Okay let me put the question to you another way.  Name one pro-gun bill, law or legal case that the SAF or GOA have gotten passed or won in court? 
         saf is the one suing chicago and d.c. as we speak as well as 4or 4 cases going in localities in cal.
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« Reply #17 on: August 30, 2009, 11:00:15 PM »


NRA, Democrats Team Up To Pass Gun Bill
After Virginia Tech Shootings, House Passes Bill To Strengthen National Background Check System

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Thursday June 14, 2007

 After 52 years in Congress, John Dingell knows it sometimes takes a "rather curious alliance," such as between the National Rifle Association and the House's most fervent gun control advocate, to move legislation.

That's what took place Wednesday when the House, by voice vote, passed a gun control bill that Rep. Dingell, D-Mich., helped broker between the NRA and Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y.

With the NRA on board, the bill, which fixes flaws in the national gun background check system that allowed the Virginia Tech shooter to buy guns despite his mental health problems, has a good chance of becoming the first major gun control law in more than a decade.

"We’ll work with anyone, if you protect the rights of law-abiding people under the second amendment and you target people that shouldn't have guns," NRA chief Wayne LaPierre told CBS News Correspondent Sheryl Atkisson

"As the Virginia Tech shooting reminded us, there is an urgent national need to improve the background check system" to keep guns out of the hands of those barred from buying them, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said.

The measure would require states to automate their lists of convicted criminals and the mentally ill who are prohibited under a 1968 law from buying firearms, and report those lists to the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS.

Seung-Hui Cho, who in April killed 32 students and faculty at Virginia Tech before taking his own life, had been ordered to undergo outpatient mental health treatment and should have been barred from buying the two guns he used in the rampage. But the state of Virginia never forwarded this information to the national background check system.

The House action came as a panel ordered by President Bush to investigate the Virginia Tech shootings issued its findings, including a recommendation that legal and financial barriers to NICS submissions be addressed.

Mr. Bush, in a statement, said the report made clear that better information sharing between federal and state authorities "is essential in helping to keep guns out of the wrong hands and to punish those who break the law." He said he was "closely following legislative efforts to strengthen the instant background check system."

The panel also urged federal agencies to expand programs to prevent school violence and said the Health and Human Services Department should focus on college students in its mental health public education campaign.

Virginia Tech President Charles Steger said the report disclosed "the deep complexities of the issues facing college campuses today" and would advance government scrutiny of issues related to safety vs. personal freedoms.

The House bill next moves to the Senate, where gun control advocate Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., says he is talking to NRA ally Sen. Larry Craig, R-Idaho, and there is a "very strong" chance of passage.

"When the NRA and I agree on legislation, you know that it's going to get through, become law and do some good," says Schumer.

The legislation requires state and federal agencies to transmit all relevant disqualifying records to the NICS database. It also provides $250 million a year over the next three years to help states meet those goals and it imposes penalties — including cuts in federal grants under an anti-crime law — on states that fail to meet benchmarks for automating their systems and supplying information to the NICS.

Virginia's Democratic Gov. Tim Kaine said Wednesday that in ordering state executive branch agencies to upgrade background check reporting last month he found that Virginia was one of only 22 states reporting any mental health information to the NICS. He said the House bill was “significant action to honor the memories of the victims who lost their lives at Virginia Tech.”


"Millions of criminal records are not accessible by NICS," said McCarthy, sponsor of the bill.
"I came to Congress in 1997, in the wake of my own personal tragedy, to help prevent gun violence," said McCarthy, who ran for office after her husband was gunned down on a Long Island commuter train in 1993. "Ten years later, I am more committed than ever to this cause."

McCarthy has been among the leaders in the largely futile efforts to legislate gun controls during the past dozen years of GOP control. The last major gun control bill, to ban some assault weapons, passed in 1994, the last year of a Democratic majority. In 1996, domestic violence offenders were added to the list of those barred from buying guns. However, a 1999 effort to close the gun show loophole on background checks after the Columbine school shootings was unsuccessful.

The NRA worked closely with Dingell, a gun rights proponent and senior House member, in crafting the new bill. The NRA insisted it was not gun control legislation because it does nothing to restrict legal rights to buy guns.

The NRA has supported the NICS since its inception in 1993, said Wayne LaPierre, the organization's executive vice president. “We've always been vigilant about protecting the rights of law-abiding citizens to purchase guns, and equally vigilant about keeping the guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally defective and people who shouldn't have them.”

The NRA did win concessions.

The bill would automatically restore the purchasing rights of veterans who were diagnosed with mental problems as part of the process of obtaining disability benefits. LaPierre said the Clinton administration put about 80,000 such veterans into the background check system.

It also outlines an appeals process for those who feel they have been wrongfully included in the system and ensures that funds allocated to improve the NICS are not used for other gun control purposes.

That wasn't enough for the Gun Owners of America, which said on its Web page that it was the only national pro-gun organization to oppose the McCarthy bill. "There are some seemingly pro-gun congressmen who are driven to get anything passed, just so they can say they did something about Virginia Tech," it said.

On the other side, Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said his group supported the legislation, noting that the Virginia Tech shootings "tragically demonstrated the gaps in the system that allowed a dangerous person to be armed."

He said he hoped Congress and the gun lobby would go a step further and extend background checks to all gun sales, not just those by licensed dealers covered by current law
 

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« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2009, 01:05:55 AM »
Lapierre , OK GB I don't care for him either .
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