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do we still need a back tag?
« on: July 18, 2009, 09:29:54 AM »
just got my new tag but nowere does it say "MUST BE DISPLAYED IN THE MIDDLE OF BACK" also can't find any refrence in the book? do we stilll have to do this?
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Re: do we still need a back tag?
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2009, 12:47:25 PM »
I asked the sales guy the same question when I got my license last week.  He said you still had to, either put it in the old style holder or a fishing license holder.  Looks kinda stupid and you can't read the number, but I stuffed it in anyway.

Did you catch the antlerless application that is on top of the license?  Its about 2 square inches :D  Theres also one in the book.
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Re: do we still need a back tag?
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2009, 02:44:31 PM »
from the PGC website

           Display: Hunting and furtaker licenses - which are now a perforated series of foldable yellow panels - can be folded to fit in a license-holder, but at least the general hunting or furtaker license must be displayed at all times.  If you are checked by a Wildlife Conservation Officer or the landowner while afield, you must have all applicable hunting and furtaker licenses on your person along with positive ID to confirm identification and residency.

http://www.pgc.state.pa.us/pgc/cwp/view.asp?a=511&q=176487
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Re: do we still need a back tag?
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2009, 06:47:32 AM »
84Jim,

I think I filled out the doe application WRONG!!!

I did fill out the yellow on that comes with the license and then I filled out the one in the book and submitted both of them!!!

I guess the one in the book is for a bonus tag????????

It is getting too complicated anymore and I really don't care if I get a doe tag or not.  I never was this way since I have been hunting nearly 45 years, but the Game Commission has complicated things to the point where I am almost done with it...

Good-luck...BCB
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Re: do we still need a back tag?
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2009, 10:06:14 AM »
I see but it only says display.not in middle of back?
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Re: do we still need a back tag?
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2009, 05:01:37 PM »
Quote from: bolewine on July 20, 2009, 10:06:14 AM
I see but it only says display.not in middle of back?

Not sure if it needs to be in the middle of the back, but the way I figure, why take a chance?
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Re: do we still need a back tag?
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2009, 10:47:11 PM »
I agree with buckbeast.  Ain't any sense in "messin' with the man".  That is a game seldom won.  Mine will be on my back as the way I have done it for 45 years.  Worked then and will work now...BCB
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Re: do we still need a back tag?
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2009, 10:12:03 AM »
two reasions to get "the man" to clear this up first,new hunting coat gor-tex cost a lot of my hard erned  money to be stickin a friken pin through, next how would anyone from out of state know this. out of 10 states i have hunted in not one required that you display your tag  let alone hang it in the middle of your back. as far as i know pa. is the only one,we must have the lazeyst wardens in the country. thay just want to sit in the truck and check with binos. mabe thay should get off thair butts and make contact with the public. i have bin punchin holes in my waterproof clothing for 40 years also,time to get this to STOP! lets hunt on sunday. also the only backward  state that i know of with that law time to wake up pa.just cuz "THE MAN" want's to have gray areas to write fines!
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Re: do we still need a back tag?
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2009, 10:21:50 AM »
Gee, didn’t mean to cause so much trouble!!!

More power to you bolewine…

I hope you become the HERO and not the MARTYR in your battle with “The Man”…

Guess I never had any waterproof clothes so it really didn't matter to me about the back tag...

Good-luck…BCB
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Re: do we still need a back tag?
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2009, 02:53:21 PM »
 >:(  bolewine, you are absolutely right about Pa. and their laws. They keep the purposely vague so the warden has something on you no matter what you do. I have been fortunate to have hunted in probably 17 states, 3 Canadian provinces, and over seas. No where do they have the conflicting laws that exist in Pa. You are exactly right about the state and the wardens. :-\
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Re: do we still need a back tag?
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2009, 01:04:02 AM »
Guess I have been lucky as I have only been stopped by a Conservation Officer one time during all of my years of hunting in PA...BCB
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Re: do we still need a back tag?
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2009, 10:07:55 AM »
well bcb,
In forty years of hunting this state I have never been so much as checked by a warden! I have in other states, guess it was the out of state plates on my jeep? it sitll dosen't change the fact that the game commission is run by a bunch of self serving nit wit's. who are swayed by the states special intrest groups, we all know who they are. The laws are vage and confuesing you need a lawyer to dechipher the deer seasons and orange requirments! Pity you don't have any waterproof clothes guess you don't hunt in snow or rain?  I might be able to hook you up with one ,it only has a small leak right in the MIDDLE OF THE BACK! If only more people would get out of the foothills of Pennsyltuckey they would realize how backward this state really is! 

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Re: do we still need a back tag?
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2009, 12:21:36 PM »
Yes, I have hunted in the rain and snow and I got wet and cold.  I never really had any hunting clothes that were specialty to the hunting sport.  We always just wore Carhartt coats or pants or bibs and the typical orange vest over the top of the coat.  Nothing very elaborate.  I finally got a pair of the felt pacs and those replaced the felt liners worn inside of 4 or 5 buckle boots.  They were sure heavy but pretty warm. All of the mentioned clothing served dual purpose—work and hunting…

And by my own admission, in a previous post I indicated that I thought I filled out my doe license application incorrectly.  I agree the laws have some vagueness and are often confusing.  I have learned in many circumstances in life that things are not black and white.  I honestly don’t know if the game laws are written so the enforcement officer can write violation because of his subjective interpretation of the law.  Some hunters are adamant in their belief that this is the case—so be it…

Many of the stands and policies that the Game Commission has enacted, I don’t agree with either.  I don’t agree with the antler restrictions.  I never did agree with not being allowed to carry a handgun while spotting deer—although I believe that has changed now.  I do not agree with some of the deer seasons and when they occur, but accept it.  I am not in favor of Sunday hunting.  But one thing is for sure, I am mature enough to realize the world does not revolve around me and there will always be things throughout my life that I have no control over.  Maybe some of the hunting rules and regulations fall into that category…

I have seen hunting debates, political debates, and religious debates to name a few opinionated subject materials get so out of control that friendships are threatened.  How ridiculous and immature—children in a sandbox…

Maybe I am not as stanch with my opinions as I am certainly not the avid-nothing-will-stop-me hunter that I used to be.  I still hunt some, but it is not a “life and death” thing for me anymore…

And finally, I appreciate the offer of the “almost” waterproof clothing bolewine.  But I assure you that I have ample money to be able to purchase whatever clothing I might need for most any situation that I may be confronted with in my life; as I live and remain in the great Commonwealth of Pennsylvania or is it “Pennsyltuckey”?  Guess I have never been in those foothills, but I have been in every state in this United States of America with the exception of four of them.  And now that I think of it, I have even been around this amazing world one time during the distant past.  Enjoy hunting…BCB
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Re: do we still need a back tag?
« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2009, 04:43:43 AM »
BCB,

I've also heard PA referred to as (with apologies to the great state of Alabama) as two big cities with Alabama in the middle.  Well as far as I'm concerned, the middle is the best part!

Hope that your doe tag comes in as planned.  Its refreshing to hear of a hunter who doesn't need $2000 worth of hunting gear.  I can't figure why with all the warm/waterproof hitech gear that most people have, 75% of the hunters are sitting in the bar or home in front of the boob tube by noon on opening day.

I've been stopped 5 or 6 times by the WCO's in my career.  Its probably evenly split between just doing their job and being a jerk.  It just seems that they rarely get the real outlaws.

The other thing that I can't figure out is why a older (+30 years) hunter would want to shoot a spike buck at 7 AM on opening day anyway.  So he can get to the bar a couple of hours early?  I think that the antler restrictions are helping some deer make it through the season.  I would have swore that that is the case until last season, when I saw bucks every day that I hunted but not one was legal. 

Jim
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Re: do we still need a back tag?
« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2009, 08:28:53 AM »
84Jim,

I might have spoken too quickly when I indicated I was not in favor of antler restriction—I should have maybe said that I am uncertain about antler restrictions.  I honestly can not say one way or the other if they are producing much more desirable antlered deer as the plan was proposed to do.  Or at least part of the plan was larger racks.  I have hunted the same area for nearly 45 years and I have taken some very nice bucks, one of which almost made it into the low end of the B&C record book for PA—some scrubby ones also.  I do have a very small cabin/storage building on part of the property I own in the area I previously mentioned.  I relax there after work hours or on the weekends.  I have a fairly nice garden there and I sit and observe the surrounding fields/wooded areas during my visits to this property.  I have been seeing some pretty nice bucks as they are in velvet now and their antlers appear quit impressive.  We shall see this fall…

I do enjoy one deer per year for meat.  That is why I get the doe license although I have not used them in several years as my wife comes from a large family and there are plenty of nephews and nieces to provide a deer during the hunting season.  I mostly am interested in a buck.  Although I am not a trophy hunter…

I do agree that the WCO’s are not always getting the scoff law individual who blatantly, flagrantly and in many cases, arrogantly violates the game laws as well as the existence of the animal being harvested illegally.  And in all reality, many of these individuals will never be secured by the WCO’s.  That is just a part of the life we must live since we are all human beings and the human being is an opportunistic creature—he will take advantage of most situations—legal or illegal…

I’ll admit that I don’t hunt with the voracious appetite for the “thrill of the kill” as I used to, but I still enjoy the area I hunt and enjoy the conversations with other hunters who have hunted that area as long as I have.  We have all grown older together and we can all remember nice bucks that were taken by all of us during the past 45 years.  Hunting is still O.K.; but maybe it needs enjoyed a bit differently as I have discovered…

Enjoy the upcoming hunting season—even if we are a bit confused!...BCB


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Re: do we still need a back tag?
« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2009, 06:04:47 PM »
I work as a CNA as a part time job.  After 2 years talking hunting and fishing with a gentleman  that has been bedridden for years and unable to hunt for several years proir to entering the home I grabbed an extra digest for him cause the more I tried to explain the changes the more confused we both got.  He said the same thing  you need a lawyer to know what is legal anymore.  I keep a digest at the john, one in the truck and one in the daypack and yes I have stopped and checked it in the middle of a hunt many times
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Re: do we still need a back tag?
« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2009, 01:59:45 AM »
            Let’s put this to rest. A couple of months ago I made arrangements for my wife to attend a hunter safety course. She wanted to become involved in hunting, go figure! I started getting her involved in shooting paper at the range. Well as natural progression has it she wants to shoot something else.  So after all my years hunting and being grandfathered, and not having to have a hunter safety course, I enrolled with her! Last night I found my self sitting in a class room face to face with our local W.C.O., so do ya think I could pass up the opportunity to ask the question DO WE STILL NEED TO DISPLAY OUR TAG IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BACK? His answer was” NO” it must be displayed on any outer garment i.e.  Belt loop, hat, or jacket same as the fishing tag. He also stated that the language was left out intently because of pending legislation. At this point he wasn’t very clear what the status of the bill was, but made it vary clear that display in the middle of the back is not necessary this year. But keep reading the mind numbing digest for further up dates.
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Re: do we still need a back tag?
« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2009, 03:50:47 AM »
       Here’s another one, seems I have been in violation of the orange laws for quite some years now unknowingly! I have been informed by the W.C.O. that wile groundhog hunting you must ware a solid orange hat (no logo or different color brim) I guess all the free hats from outfitters I have collected over the years are just that collectables! As it is illegal to ware wile hunting in this messed up state. Guess I have to go buy a new hat, don’t remember seeing one without a logo of some sort!
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