Author Topic: I Just Listened to Zero give his Health Care speech to Congress! (Read 948 times)

Cabin4 · « **on:** September 09, 2009, 03:25:53 PM »

Zero is a liar. He lied about illegal aliens being covered under his health care proposal. Period! Anyway, 10 interesting points.

1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County are working for cash and not paying taxes. They are predominantly illegal aliens working without a green card and will be ELIGIBLE FOR FREE GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE.

2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens and they will be ELIGIBLE FOR FREE GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE under zero's plan

3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens they will be ELIGIBLE FOR FREE GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE under zero's plan.

4. Over 66% of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by taxpayers and they will be ELIGIBLE FOR FREE GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE under zero's plan.

5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican Nationals here illegally and they will be ELIGIBLE FOR FREE GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE under zero's plan.

6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages and they will be ELIGIBLE FOR FREE GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE under zero's plan.

7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border and they will be ELIGIBLE FOR FREE GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE under zero's plan.

8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegals and they will be ELIGIBLE FOR FREE GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE under zero's plan.

9.(There are 10.2 million people in L.A. County) The fact that California is on the verge of bankruptcy is just a coincidence right? It has nothing to do with illegal aliens, right? 60% of Americans agree that illegal aliens are the cause of this and they do want them to be ELIGIBLE FOR FREE GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE under zero's plan.

10. 25 New illegal aliens JUST CROSSED our border while you are reading and will be ELIGIBLE FOR FREE GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE under zero's plan.

Zero, is a bold face liar.

crustaceous · « **Reply #1 on:** September 09, 2009, 04:22:42 PM »

I believe he addressed the 10 ~~facts~~ interesting points

"Some of people's concerns have grown out of bogus claims spread by those whose only agenda is to kill reform at any cost."

http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/taxes.asp

nomosendero · « **Reply #2 on:** September 09, 2009, 04:36:21 PM »

Quote from: crustaceous on September 09, 2009, 04:22:42 PM

I believe he addressed the 10 ~~facts~~ interesting points

"Some of people's concerns have grown out of bogus claims spread by those whose only agenda is to kill reform at any cost."

http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/taxes.asp

But awe, so many claims which are true that he denies.

BTW, the line through facts was correct.

Casull · « **Reply #3 on:** September 09, 2009, 04:49:52 PM »

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I believe he addressed the 10 facts interesting points

"Some of people's concerns have grown out of bogus claims spread by those whose only agenda is to kill reform at any cost."

http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/taxes.asp

You might want to pick a better source. Snopes seems to admit (without sounding like it is) that at least half of the items are, or could be, true. Meanwhile, on the items it attacks it does not show even one of them to be untrue, but rather just attempts to cast doubt.

powderman · « **Reply #4 on:** September 09, 2009, 05:01:09 PM »

This crap with illegals really tears my butt up, I'm sick of them and the scum who support them. If I were the president I'd lock the borders and order our military and border patrol to treat illegals like the criminals they are, invaders, felons. Stop them period, no exceptions. I'm fed up with hearing about anchor babies, free schooling, medical care, welfare, etc. Round em up, ship em out. They are here for the freebies and money, then refuse to learn or speak our language. This is America, we speak ENGLISH HERE. POWDERMAN.

crustaceous · « **Reply #5 on:** September 09, 2009, 05:22:31 PM »

Independent fact-checkers such as FactCheck.org and PolitiFact have backed up Obama's claim about illegal immigrants. They cite Sec. 246 in HR 3200, the House health-care legislation, which is titled, "NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS." It states, "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."

Cabin4 · « **Reply #6 on:** September 09, 2009, 06:14:38 PM »

Quote from: crustaceous on September 09, 2009, 05:22:31 PM

"NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS." It states, "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."

Which means that a documented non-citizen (including illegals) can get free heath care! So you come here, go to a sanctuary city like NY, San Fran, LA, etc, get documented (apply for citezenship)and then get free health care!

FREE HEATH CARE FOR ILLEGALS!

Questor · « **Reply #7 on:** September 10, 2009, 02:04:19 AM »

Thank heaven for Rep. Joe Wilson's "You Lie!" outburst.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #8 on:** September 10, 2009, 03:15:00 AM »

Quote from: TM7 on September 10, 2009, 01:53:45 AM

Quote from: Cabin4 on September 09, 2009, 03:25:53 PM

Zero is a liar. He lied about illegal aliens being covered under his health care proposal. Period! Anyway, 10 interesting points.

1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County are working for cash and not paying taxes. They are predominantly illegal aliens working without a green card and will be ELIGIBLE FOR FREE GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE.

2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens and they will be ELIGIBLE FOR FREE GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE under zero's plan

3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens they will be ELIGIBLE FOR FREE GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE under zero's plan.

4. Over 66% of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by taxpayers and they will be ELIGIBLE FOR FREE GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE under zero's plan.

5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican Nationals here illegally and they will be ELIGIBLE FOR FREE GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE under zero's plan.

6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages and they will be ELIGIBLE FOR FREE GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE under zero's plan.

7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border and they will be ELIGIBLE FOR FREE GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE under zero's plan.

8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegals and they will be ELIGIBLE FOR FREE GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE under zero's plan.

9.(There are 10.2 million people in L.A. County) The fact that California is on the verge of bankruptcy is just a coincidence right? It has nothing to do with illegal aliens, right? 60% of Americans agree that illegal aliens are the cause of this and they do want them to be ELIGIBLE FOR FREE GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE under zero's plan.

10. 25 New illegal aliens JUST CROSSED our border while you are reading and will be ELIGIBLE FOR FREE GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE under zero's plan.

Zero, is a bold face liar.

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All interesting...can you cite the source for all of these 10 points..??

...TM7

Variuos sources so I guess that would mean Cabin 4.

beerbelly · « **Reply #9 on:** September 10, 2009, 03:19:12 AM »

crustaceous if Obama told you piss was wine you would rush out and buy a bottle.
Beerbelly

Cabin4 · « **Reply #10 on:** September 10, 2009, 04:31:08 AM »

Some people just don't understand Liberals. They MUST lie to get what they want. Obama is a filthy dirty slimy liar of the worst kind because the guy can talk real good. He and his accomplices are truly the purveyors of evil & deceit.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #11 on:** September 10, 2009, 11:38:44 AM »

Quote from: TM7 on September 10, 2009, 11:17:42 AM

Cabin:
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Variuos sources so I guess that would mean Cabin 4.

OhhhHHH! OKay; cause it looked an awful lot like a copy-paste paraphrasing of that 2002 LA Times article mentioned in Snopes...which of course was written well before BHO became or thought about being president/errand boy.

Nevertheless, I do agree with one of your conclusions, mainly that we are being screwed. But why do you attribute this 'screwing' to only liberals alone? When for example, we know the architects of the BHO HC reform/tax plan are the 'Gang of Six"...a bipartisan committee headed by Max Baucus a conservative democrat from Montana who happens to be about the most donated to politician in federal government, receiving at last tally aprox $2.88 million from corporate private HC insurance companies. The BHO HC reform enhances corporate insurance companies and the IRS like never before. Read Tiabbi's article.

..TM7

The proposed bill on the floor today, is a democrate only bill. The gang of 6 have not produced a bill or an alternative yet. They are only working on ideas on how to modify the proposed bill.

Most all republicans and democrates are worthless with a few exceptions. Liberals are not a party and I think 100% of them are worthless and disgusting.

dukkillr · « **Reply #12 on:** September 10, 2009, 11:40:20 AM »

Quote from: beerbelly on September 10, 2009, 03:19:12 AM

crustaceous if Obama told you piss was wine you would rush out and buy a bottle.
Beerbelly

Asking for sources on specific quotes of "fact" does not make one an idiot. NOT asking for sources and blindly believing is what makes one an idiot.

Casull · « **Reply #13 on:** September 10, 2009, 11:54:04 AM »

Quote

Asking for sources on specific quotes of "fact" does not make one an idiot. NOT asking for sources and blindly believing is what makes one an idiot.

You mean like crusty did when he said this:

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I believe he addressed the 10 facts interesting points

"Some of people's concerns have grown out of bogus claims spread by those whose only agenda is to kill reform at any cost."

Don't see him asking for BO's sources, or maybe I just missed something.

dukkillr · « **Reply #14 on:** September 10, 2009, 12:00:39 PM »

Quote from: Casull on September 10, 2009, 11:54:04 AM

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Asking for sources on specific quotes of "fact" does not make one an idiot. NOT asking for sources and blindly believing is what makes one an idiot.

You mean like crusty did when he said this:

Quote
I believe he addressed the 10 facts interesting points

"Some of people's concerns have grown out of bogus claims spread by those whose only agenda is to kill reform at any cost."

Don't see him asking for BO's sources, or maybe I just missed something.

Is Obama a member here such that asking him for sources here would be worthwhile? I reread the whole thread and I didn't see any posts by "BO" such that it would make sense to address him directly here?

I too wondered where Cabin4 got those facts... I'm not saying they are wrong, or that his claims about Obama are wrong, I just wanted to confirm the details for myself. I don't think there is anything wrong with that, in fact I think America would be a much better place if everyone took the time to examine the facts for themselves.

Casull · « **Reply #15 on:** September 10, 2009, 12:16:34 PM »

dukkiller, it was beerbelly that you were addressing, not cabin4. Cabin4 posted what someone else wrote, just like crusty did (I assume crusty's quote was from BO). So, why attack one, but not the other? Crusty was relying on BO's quote without asking about his sources, just as Cabin4 did with his post. As far as where Cabin4 got his facts, you could have read the snopes cite that crusty posted (I did), and it gives those sources (but, alas no sources for BO's assertion).

crustaceous · « **Reply #16 on:** September 10, 2009, 12:18:29 PM »

I am not an idiot!! I would have figured out the wine thing after four or five cases!

Cabin4 · « **Reply #17 on:** September 10, 2009, 12:48:32 PM »

Quote from: crustaceous on September 10, 2009, 12:18:29 PM

I am not an idiot!! I would have figured out the wine thing after four or five cases!

I will say you have a good sence of humor about this and I really like your new avatar!

How in the heck did you do that? Finally, my dream has now come true. Cabin 4 is a leader with flock carfully watching.

Mohawk · « **Reply #18 on:** September 10, 2009, 12:54:01 PM »

I think the plan is not well thought out. Don't argue. Let it pass, and when it fails, they take responsibility. And restricting financial benefits to doctors? Do you want someone with a "discounted" compensation under a gov't plan to be the one that has to save your life? I don't........

billy_56081 · « **Reply #19 on:** September 10, 2009, 01:17:44 PM »

Quote from: Cabin4 on September 10, 2009, 12:48:32 PM

Quote from: crustaceous on September 10, 2009, 12:18:29 PM
I am not an idiot!! I would have figured out the wine thing after four or five cases!

I will say you have a good sence of humor about this and I really like your new avatar!

How in the heck did you do that? Finally, my dream has now come true. Cabin 4 is a leader with flock carfully watching.

Cabin, I think his wife has a crush on you.

crustaceous · « **Reply #20 on:** September 10, 2009, 02:23:38 PM »

I used one of these photograph manipulation programs
http://www.fiskarscrafts.com/tools/c_scissors.aspx

351 power · « **Reply #21 on:** September 10, 2009, 02:54:36 PM »

1. i'd be interested to know who was paying the cash money to those workers in LA county. because they are the reason people move there from mexico. and they are the ones making money off the books, not paying the social security, etc. leaving citizens out of the equation. messing up the economy by holding citizens out of that labour force
2&3. seems like these points contain mostly the same people since the murders would also be the most wanted list.
4. wouldn't those 66/100 births now be citizens and have rights to county resources
5&6. if you live in a garage you shouldn't have less status than if you live in a prison. especially if you are getting paid in cash and paying rent on your garage or buying electricity, groceries, etc. maybe you'd buy the garage if you were paying social security, taxes, could get a mortgage. why wouldn't an employer want people to pay into the country anyway. you know, pay your share?
7. fbi reporting "most likely" now there's some well paid federal information. maybe the fbi could put those gang members on the hot seat. find out who's been paying cash to all their mothers and fathers
8. if they'd build more garages in LA county then those gang members and their grandmothers could live in garages and move out the hud properties. maybe they could get paid cash and build them themselves. once the fbi finds out who's paying the cash
9. those cash paying guys are the reason the california is going broke. sometimes they make so much money they even take vacations. to mexico. spend that money somewhere they don't got to pay taxes to people. hey they could buy a whole factory there. those people work even cheaper there. don't even have to pay medicare there
10. good news. i just found someone to work for me. for cash.
whose the liar?

Cabin4 · « **Reply #22 on:** September 10, 2009, 03:23:37 PM »

Quote from: crustaceous on September 10, 2009, 02:23:38 PM

I used one of these photograph manipulation programs
http://www.fiskarscrafts.com/tools/c_scissors.aspx

Thanks!

Hey TM7, why don't you send me your picture!

billy_56081 · « **Reply #23 on:** September 10, 2009, 03:33:05 PM »

351 power, here in MN the illegals work for wages, what they do is claim a large amount of dependents and pay basically no taxes. By the time the IRS catches up with them, if they even try, the person assumes another identity and does it all oever again. E verify is junk, it only matches a name with a S.S. number no matter how many times it is used.