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Where is P.J? ***UPDATE***
« on: October 02, 2003, 05:01:06 AM »
He hasn't posted for more than a month, I have sent him private mesages, and no reply.  Does anybody know what happened to him?   I am a little worried.  He was a regular contributer and just up and didappeared.
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Where is P.J? ***UPDATE***
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2003, 05:45:00 AM »
His account has  been deactivated. You can't send him PMs because of that. Reason was his cussing out both me and Ladobe publicly more or less. A public apology might get him back if he were willing to try that but his attitude would have to change a lot from the way it was when he forced me to deactivate his account.

There is more to it and if either of you two wish to discuss it with me in a bit more detail PM me.

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Where is P.J? ***UPDATE***
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2003, 06:31:19 PM »
Its not up to me who is allowed on GBO or not Boss, you alone make that decision.   But FWIW, he will not be welcome on this forum as long as I do the moderator duties on it (and you know why).  

Please do not send me anymore PM's/email about this gentlemen - it is a closed topic.

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*** UPDATE ***
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2003, 07:34:00 PM »
Sorry, but am adding this update to a very OFF TOPIC thread.

Mrs PJ made a post today that was considerably different that really took place.   She directed most of the heat my way.   Well, I was replying to her post - hit the submit button and at that time learned that her post was no longer on GBO.   Admin had removed it.    So, to keep the record straight, I was going to let her post stand on the forum... and here is my reply to it.

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Welcome thepbjs.   Glad you stopped by to share your views.   Hell no I won’t “wipe” your post off - opens the perfect opportunity to set the record straight on what really did happen concerning your PJ.

Just so you will understand where I am coming from:  GBO is Graybeards place – his home if you will.   He has tried to make it a comfortable place where friends can meet to exchange ideas, share experiences, ask questions that get quality answers, ponder and theorize… author or respond to whatever “on topic” discussion they want to within a forum.   For the most part that is how it goes on GBO, and everyone has a great time here.   But, problems do exist whenever you toss a bunch of people together from all walks of life, whether it is on a site such as this, or at a Sunday social.   So GB set up some rules to try to keep things civilized and organized on GBO, and in tune with his own personal desires and goals for the site.    Since he alone shoulders the expense and the lions share of the work to keep it up and running, and since it is, after all, his place, it seems pretty reasonable to me that he has that right.   The rest of us are visitors in his home.

Since there are so many varied interests within the membership of this board, GB has set up a very large number of forums so that those with a like interest can find each other, and direct their efforts to get the most exposure with the right crowd for that particular topic.   Doing all the Admin and trying to oversee this many forums just became too much for one man to do, so GB decided to solicit help from members to watch over many of the forums for him.   He tried to get people who had long experience in the area of interest on the forum that they would be doing, or at least anyone who just wanted to help out.  

So what does a moderator do?     Mainly, they try to help with questions by offering suggestions from their experience, or to newbies trying to figure out how to use the board’s features.   But also to check the contents of posts made to the forum for the GBO Admin.   What content?   To watch out for hackers or attacks to GBO itself or its members; for people not following the house rules; for advertisers placing ads without paying Admin to do so; for trouble makers inciting or provoking flame wars; for off topic posts that belong (and would get better response) in another forum;  for solicitation to steal members away from GBO (new one); etc.

I can’t speak for the others that have been helping out as moderators, but I can for myself.   I more cases than not, I contact Admin about potential problems on a forum, and Admin makes the decisions on what to do about it.   Also more often than not, Admin takes the action – I do when instructed to do so.   Once Admin has established a policy and if the problem is not a major one, I sometimes handle it myself, but in the manner Admin has directed.   However, I go a couple of steps further.   I contact Admin to advise what has occurred and what, if anything, I have done about.   I also PM/email the member involved and “politely” advise why it was a problem or why it was not allowed.  So far I am batting 1000 – Admin has always fully supported anything I have done in the mod capacity.   Luckily, most members are great about it anyway and it is quickly forgotten.    Being a moderator can be a tough job, especially when trying to enforce the guidelines established by the sites owner and at the same time trying to have some fun with what has become some of your Internet friends with a like interest.     They pay is zero, and at times all of your limited on-line time is used up handling problems instead of getting to enjoy the board with the rest of the membership.   So the synonym for moderator must be sucker for punishment.   That said….

PJ has been a good contributor to the board, and has obvious experience to share with others.   He used to do that often and everyone I think appreciated his input.   But of late many of his posts had been rude, insulting and inflammatory towards other members with no just cause.   Due to GBO policy, some of these posts were in fact deleted – I believe mostly by Admin.    He was a topic between Admin and some of the mods that was coming up more and more often.   To address your comments on the days just before his account was shut down by Admin (as far as I have knowledge of or had any part in).   I know some posts were deleted due to links that were not acceptable to Admin.   But the post that I deleted was an off topic post on the TCH forum directed at GB and in an inflammatory way.   Was an easy decision for me, it was clearly against the rules and did not belong on this forum no matter what.   But, I did PM/email PJ and politely told him that “I” deleted that post, explained why I had to do it and suggested it should be done via private email or PM to GB himself.   Now the key word here is “politely”.   What it got me was a personal email direct from PJ; calling me names with foul language and telling me where to go basically.   And to THAT email, I responded by again explaining why and that I was just doing what I was suppose to as the forums mod, that his email did show exactly what a baby he really is, that what GB did or did not do had nothing to do with me, that I was glad to see his account deactivated because trash like him was not needed on GBO, and that if he ever got to Vegas to please look me up and I’d show him what men do with problem children.    Yes, the last line was personal (and BTW, all correspondence IS backed up so I can prove what was said).   I don’t need the Internet to hide behind to be a man, and I’ll stand accountable for everything I have said or done on GBO.

Apologies?   Won’t be any from me, because I don’t owe him one!  

Ladobe


Sorry gang, but I’m locking this post.   Only GB can decide from here.   This is water that has been flushed already and we need to move on.   Please let it lie and lets get back to TC’s.

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Where is P.J? ***UPDATE***
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2003, 07:37:52 AM »
FOR THE RECORD:

It was me that deleted Mrs. PJ's post because I felt it to only be inflammatory in nature. I still do even tho a private e-mail from her to me says it was not intended to be so. Since I don't know her I'll take her word on that for now. Ladobe had nothing to do with my decision. I read the post, didn't think it belonged and made it go away. This entire thread is totally off topic and has no business here really.

PJ's account was deactivated. He has not been banned. Matt wanted to ban him because the e-mail that I assume was directed to me was in fact sent to Matt not me. PJ was very vulgar in it and cussed both me/Matt/? and Ladobe out in it. This e-mail that almost got him banned by Matt until I interceded was the basis for the deactivation of his account.

I have rules for this site and acting like an adult and not using foul language or making personal attacks falls under those rules. This site is intended for the entire family. It is not a place to make personal attacks. It is not a place to show us how complete your vocabulary of curse words is. It is NOT a place for folks who think they should be allowed to say or do anything they wish without repercussions. Some folks don't like my rules and have left as a result. I say fine. If they aren't willing to follow the rules they aren't wanted here anyway. There are plenty more ready and willing to take their place who do want such a clean place to visit.

Every since the episode with M. Bellm awhile back when I felt compelled to ban him from this site and in the process angering some of his fans this forum has been more trouble to me than it is worth. For that matter the entire site has gotten to be that way. It has gotten to be a chore for me to even log in here anymore. An onerous chore at that. All the fun is gone. Most of the reasons I started it to begin with have evaporated over time. I am tired of it.

If not for the advertisers who've paid their money and the many good folks who actually like to visit and post on a site such as this I'd just shut it down and be done with it. But that wouldn't be fair to either group mentioned. So I keep on putting up with the headaches for the benefit of those who wish a clean place to post where personall attacks, name calling and foul language is not allowed. With over 5000 members registered in the first 10 months of registrations and about 30,000 total visitors per week it would appear there must be a lot of folks who do in fact like the way the site is run. So the site goes on for those good folks.

But it goes on under the rules I have established or will establish as circumstances warrant. Those who don't like that may feel free to go elsewhere. While here you'll behave as you would if you were a guest in my home and if you don't the same thing will happen as would if you were in fact in my home. You'll be tossed out. For that I make no apologies to anyone.

So why did PJ decide to cuss out me, Matt and Ladobe? Well he covertly began using the PM system on this site to try to convince folks to leave it for a new one set up by someone I have never heard of. When I was made aware of this I took action to delete all PMs by PJ. Topic wasn't looked at. All PMs of his (to or from) were deleted and his priviledge to use the PM system was deactivated. Nothing else.  When he asked why on a forum I responded via e-mail and deleted the off topic thread. He followed that up by asking again on another forum (this one) and Ladobe deleted it and copied me on the off topic message. I again responded via e-mail to PJ explaining why. I used the same e-mail address he has on record on this site and the same one he used in his e-mail to Ladobe and Matt. Now Mrs. PJ says he never got either of my e-mails. I find that both hard to believe and strange. If he can send from it he should be able to receive to it. Be that as it may his total disregard for the rules of my site and his foul language are what got him deactivated (not banned from the site).

PJ was once a worthwhile contributor to this site. A bit rowdy at times and one who stretched if not broke the rules a bit too often but still over all a worthwhile contribtor. Perhaps with an attitude change he could once again he. He isn't banned yet at least. The door is open for a possible return but only after an apology for the behavior and a promise  it will not recur. I don't expect that to follow. Don't think he is likely to apologize and Mrs. PJ in her e-mail to me says she would discourage (not exactly her words but I forgot the specific words used) him from doing so. In stead she and I assume he think that he is the one owned an apology. Sorry but I don't agree. It is my site and I make the rules and those rules WILL Be followed.

Now then I'll again lock this thread. It is off topic and doesn't need to get longer. If you have comments you wish to direct to me do so either via PM or e-mail not on forum.

GB


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