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Gunsmithing in demand???
« on: October 05, 2009, 08:56:32 AM »
As my handle implies, I am indeed a rookie to the inner workings of firearms.  I was raised shooting an old Remington 552 speedmaster that worked just great for the squirrels that we hunted exclusively.  Now I am getting re-acquainted with hunting in general and introduced to hunting larger game, I find that I really enjoy working on and restoring firearms.  Now I'm not planning on opening shop any time soon or anything, but I am wondering if this new hobby is something that I could eventually parley into a supplemental or even full-time income (after gaining much knowledge and experience, of course).   

Any advise on a rookie who would like to progress into something more?

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Re: Gunsmithing in demand???
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2009, 04:02:43 PM »
Good gunsmiths are in demand, how you become known to be good can elude you.  Don't quit your day job.  Larry
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« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2009, 05:42:32 PM »
What Larry is saying is that it's not as easy as just deciding o do it. Gunsmithing is a huge amount of fun and a tremendous responsibility..  A mistep can blind, maim, or kill. To get started I always reccomend a good school. We've talked about that before and that string is still viable. Books are an invaluable source. Always be a bit skeptical of a gunsmoth who doesn't have a large reference library.. As to experience, it's how many of use did it but it can be a hard road.. with a lot of potholes. I started doing this because I loved the work and couldn't afford to have someone else do it for me, so I learned to do it myself.  I much prefer stock work and still do a bit of checkering. Most everything else I still do for myself but no longer for others. Also you really should understand the laws before getting into the professional end.. And the last thing I would strongly advise a good lawyer and setting up an LLC and buying insurance. Without a few precautions others may suffer besides yourself.
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Re: Gunsmithing in demand???
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2009, 02:56:04 AM »
Thanks for the advice.  Trust me I wasn't about to open up shop or quit my day job just because I successfully refinished a stock and restored a barrel finish.  ;).  Right now, I'm just looking into this as a hobby for personal use to save myself some coin (and because I like doing it).  I'm just wondering if I can make it a hobby that pays for itself (and for the rising cost of ammo).  Don't get me wrong, I would love to make a living doing my hobby also, but I'm under no illusion that I will just be able to buy one how-to book, quit my day job and rake in the bucks  ;D

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Re: Gunsmithing in demand???
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2009, 07:39:15 AM »
Most of the folks that should know say there is a tremendous need for qualified smiths but the economic climate is so poor just now and the legal situation very unsettled that I would hate to be starting a shop just now. I'd advise practice and hobby projects to see what you are good at and enjoy. I wish you the very best of course and am glad you've joined us here. We'll try to help with whatever we can...Best of luck!
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Re: Gunsmithing in demand???
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2009, 08:06:03 AM »
I have been a gunsmith for about 30 years, and to say one can make a living at it, is a stretch at the very least. I certainly couldn't. It is like a small remodeling business. Chicken today, and feathers tomorrow. It is not that steady, and most run other SUCCESSFUL businesses as a NEEDED supplement.
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« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2009, 05:33:03 AM »

Hey Dee,

    I would be interested in your opinion on this, since you are a gunsmith.   Having done corporate work for FedEX for many many years, I got this idea, because people in modern society are willing to pay big bucks for speed.  They recognize speed as value.
 
   In Memphis, there is a very well known gunshop, where they have 3 gunsmiths that do complicated and high end work.   They are located "Out East" which is the ritzy surburban part of town.  They always have more business than they can do, and they generally take 3 to 6 months, or longer, to do anything.  When you ask for complicated work, I can understand why it would take a long time.   

   At any rate, the main problem is that if you need something fairly simple done, such as a recoil pad installed, or a barrel cut and crowned, or an action drilled and tapped, or a set of iron sights mounted, or a stock shortened, etc., they take 3 to 6 months to do that as well!  Ridiculous.

   I often thought that if someone opened a small gunshop across the street, and advertised Quick Basic Gunsmithing Only, he could make a good living. (I.e., "Gunsmith Express")    He could pick the 5 or 10 easiest/most common requests, limit his business strictly to that, and advertise one, two or three day turn-arounds, depending on how much somebody would want to pay.    (IThe quicker the turn around, the more it would cost.)  People are disgusted with having to wait for their simple work to be done at the high end place, and would quickly start coming to the new place.     

   And, if the work got to be too much for the new smith, there are lots of young smiths around with no shops, who are very competent to do simple jobs, who would love to work 3 hours or so in the evenings, at $20 an hour or so.

   And do you now what else?  In Memphis, at the end of dove season and duck season, lots of the upper end suburban hunters walk into the expensive shop, plop their shotguns down in their padded cases, and say "Hey, how much to clean and lube this for me."  Current price at the expensive shop:  $65 bucks.

  Well, just my thoughts.   And I would say this, once at a big skeet tournement, there was a guy with a trailer who did custom stock work.   My wife wanted the stock of her Citori shortened by one  and a half inches, and a good Pachymer pad put on it.  This guy had everything he need in that trailer.  He did the entire job, while we watched, in about 30 minutes.  It was a beautiful job.  His charge was $95.00, plus the price of the pad.  We gladly paid it.

Best,

Mannyrock
 

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Re: Gunsmithing in demand???
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2009, 08:22:22 AM »
Part of the problem with many smiths is that they are good gunsmiths but poor businessmen.. Still the reason your small job takes 2-3 months is the waiting in line.. If you jump the small jobs to the front of the line then the higher end jobs take even longer and there will be a lot of small jobs..at least for a time. Gunsmiths often specialize to control their time utilization and hiring part time smiths can be a plus..but personnel tribulations can add a whole new reason for your gray hair.. Specialized shops are usually not the fastest turnaround but they can and most do produce top quality work.. Speed is wonderful but quality is the most import product you can have.. Good luck with your endevors.
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Re: Gunsmithing in demand???
« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2009, 08:49:28 AM »

Hey Dee,

    I would be interested in your opinion on this, since you are a gunsmith.   Having done corporate work for FedEX for many many years, I got this idea, because people in modern society are willing to pay big bucks for speed.  They recognize speed as value.
 
   In Memphis, there is a very well known gunshop, where they have 3 gunsmiths that do complicated and high end work.   They are located "Out East" which is the ritzy surburban part of town.  They always have more business than they can do, and they generally take 3 to 6 months, or longer, to do anything.  When you ask for complicated work, I can understand why it would take a long time.   

   At any rate, the main problem is that if you need something fairly simple done, such as a recoil pad installed, or a barrel cut and crowned, or an action drilled and tapped, or a set of iron sights mounted, or a stock shortened, etc., they take 3 to 6 months to do that as well!  Ridiculous.

   I often thought that if someone opened a small gunshop across the street, and advertised Quick Basic Gunsmithing Only, he could make a good living. (I.e., "Gunsmith Express")    He could pick the 5 or 10 easiest/most common requests, limit his business strictly to that, and advertise one, two or three day turn-arounds, depending on how much somebody would want to pay.    (IThe quicker the turn around, the more it would cost.)  People are disgusted with having to wait for their simple work to be done at the high end place, and would quickly start coming to the new place.     

   And, if the work got to be too much for the new smith, there are lots of young smiths around with no shops, who are very competent to do simple jobs, who would love to work 3 hours or so in the evenings, at $20 an hour or so.

   And do you now what else?  In Memphis, at the end of dove season and duck season, lots of the upper end suburban hunters walk into the expensive shop, plop their shotguns down in their padded cases, and say "Hey, how much to clean and lube this for me."  Current price at the expensive shop:  $65 bucks.

  Well, just my thoughts.   And I would say this, once at a big skeet tournement, there was a guy with a trailer who did custom stock work.   My wife wanted the stock of her Citori shortened by one  and a half inches, and a good Pachymer pad put on it.  This guy had everything he need in that trailer.  He did the entire job, while we watched, in about 30 minutes.  It was a beautiful job.  His charge was $95.00, plus the price of the pad.  We gladly paid it.

Best,

Mannyrock
 

Mannyrock in a town that size, it is very possible you could do just exactly what your talking about, however it might be kinda spotty. As far as the gun cleaning service, I did that every year when I lived in the panhandle right after pheasant season. I was charging $35.00, and was making a killing. For about 2 weeks.
Few areas offer those opportunities, and as far as the high end gunsmiths, I find them catering to the high end gun buyers, kinda like farmers who will only buy a John Deere lawn mower when they can buy a better one much cheaper. I guess though when you and your wife BOTH, are knocking off $100,000.00 plus a year in farm subsidies (even though you wife doesn't farm) you can afford to buy a John Deere mower. :o
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Re: Gunsmithing in demand???
« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2009, 12:14:00 PM »
  You make it sound like ALL farmers, or even the majority of farmers get big "subsidies", and they don't!  I live in a big farming area, and it's not happening that way here, and there's some pretty big farmers over this way...  (yes, "some" do abuse the system in other area's)

  BTW, that $4500 gov. cupon that was available to almost anyone, it was a gov. subsidy...

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« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2009, 03:37:06 PM »
  You make it sound like ALL farmers, or even the majority of farmers get big "subsidies", and they don't!  I live in a big farming area, and it's not happening that way here, and there's some pretty big farmers over this way...  (yes, "some" do abuse the system in other area's)

  BTW, that $4500 gov. cupon that was available to almost anyone, it was a gov. subsidy...

  DM

I know a bunch of farmers, and 99% of them get subsidies, and they (the subsidies) would feed most families for 3 or 4 years. And if your lilly white farmers would admitt it they are getting hundreds of thousands a year also. THEY ALL SAY I GET IT BUT, IT AIN'T THAT MUCH. BS! THEY SAY THE SAME THING HERE. I can look them up by name, and tell down to the penny what they get, and if you don't think a $100,000.00 plus a year "AIN'T MUCH" then I don't know what to tell ya. THEY, LIKE YOU, DON'T REALIZE IT'S PUBLIC RECORD. They even file in their wives names, and the wives don't even drive a farm pickup. Usually they drive Escalades, or Lincolns. As I recently learned, the information is public record, and most would be shocked at what most farmers get in farm subsidies, i.e. government handouts. I've never got any government checks because I couldn't make in on my own in my chosen profession.
As far as that $4500.00 government coupon it wasn't anything like a subside. It was a GOVERNMENT GIFT of our tax dollars, so people could go and buy a new car they couldn't afford, JUST LIKE THE FARM SUBSIDIES. So what's your point with that?   BTW!  ;)
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Re: Gunsmithing in demand???
« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2009, 07:28:43 PM »
  You make it sound like ALL farmers, or even the majority of farmers get big "subsidies", and they don't!  I live in a big farming area, and it's not happening that way here, and there's some pretty big farmers over this way...  (yes, "some" do abuse the system in other area's)

  BTW, that $4500 gov. cupon that was available to almost anyone, it was a gov. subsidy...

  DM

I know a bunch of farmers, and 99% of them get subsidies, and they (the subsidies) would feed most families for 3 or 4 years. And if your lilly white farmers would admitt it they are getting hundreds of thousands a year also. THEY ALL SAY I GET IT BUT, IT AIN'T THAT MUCH. BS! THEY SAY THE SAME THING HERE. I can look them up by name, and tell down to the penny what they get, and if you don't think a $100,000.00 plus a year "AIN'T MUCH" then I don't know what to tell ya. THEY, LIKE YOU, DON'T REALIZE IT'S PUBLIC RECORD. They even file in their wives names, and the wives don't even drive a farm pickup. Usually they drive Escalades, or Lincolns. As I recently learned, the information is public record, and most would be shocked at what most farmers get in farm subsidies, i.e. government handouts. I've never got any government checks because I couldn't make in on my own in my chosen profession.
As far as that $4500.00 government coupon it wasn't anything like a subside. It was a GOVERNMENT GIFT of our tax dollars, so people could go and buy a new car they couldn't afford, JUST LIKE THE FARM SUBSIDIES. So what's your point with that?   BTW!  ;)

  That's how i know what they are getting around here, i looked it up "to the penny".

  DM

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Re: Gunsmithing in demand???
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2009, 03:31:19 AM »
Thanks to everyone for your advice on the gunsmithing.  I look forward to learning more in this new hobby, and who knows what will come of it.  Maybe nothing, maybe something.

I'll leave the farming subsidy debate for another place and time (maybe around the Ole Pot Bellied Stove  ;D)

Thanks again everybody.

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« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2009, 02:26:03 PM »
I went and graduated from CO School of Trades, 32 years ago, gunsmithing, that was all that was offered then. Some others exspressed my sentiments, in the south you can exist, paycheck to paycheck, but a hard way to make a good income here. I still try and  keep up with the gun industry and have several friends and classmates that are know nationwide but it is a labor of love to make a living, don't quit your day job.

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« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2009, 03:51:57 PM »
But I just got a brochure from AGI saying I could make an extra 2000 dollars a month by becoming a gunsmith! ::)
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« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2009, 03:56:26 PM »
But I just got a brochure from AGI saying I could make an extra 2000 dollars a month by becoming a gunsmith! ::)

See of you can get a written guarantee, and free job placement. ;D
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« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2009, 11:44:20 PM »
You would spend a month and half of that in good hand tools and jigs and fixtures just to start!

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« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2009, 02:10:52 AM »
Actually, I would like to learn gunsmithing, but I'm laid off, and don't have the money to tool up,or get the info a gunsmith needs.
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« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2009, 02:18:53 AM »
You would spend a month and half of that in good hand tools and jigs and fixtures just to start!

No kidding.  I have more than that in my smithing tools and just a hobbyist.  No one ever mentions the need for a FFL, Insurance and other requirements to be a Gunsmith.

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« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2009, 12:29:26 PM »
No gunsmith here but I don't have my head in the sand... wondering if we're experienceing a gun bubble (like 1994) that might give the impression there's more work out there than can be counted upon over any longer period.