Modern Remington Model 8 Carbine

[Packmule]

A few months ago some fellow Remington Model 8 guys
and I got together and had a idea to make a Modern
Model 8 carbine. This hasn't been done since
David "Carbine"Williams built his radical version while working on the M1 carbine.

David "Carbine"Williams Model 8



Although are idea wasn't as radical as his
we debated over how to do one and
if you could even make one that would
cycle the action. Well a good friend of
mine and Model 8 nut figured it out
and built the first one. Here it is
compared to a standard Model 8

The first carbine






So with the first one done it was on,
The other guy that was in on this
and the guy who started all of this
was next and he went another step
and shortened the rear stock by two
inches so it ended up being the same
overall or just a little shorter than a M1 carbine...

The second





I hope you like this just wanted to share, Pack

[Packmule]

Here is the Third carbine
its a Remington Model 81
in 300 Savage

[mannyrock]

    Very interesting stuff.

    A question:   Why not a Brockman (or is it Ashley?) type, combat peep sight, mounted on the top of the  receiver cover, with protective wings, instead of the old flip-up Lyman?    For me, this would have been the first thing that would come to mind.  Is there a technical problem with doing this?

    Also, how does it shoot when rebored to .300 Savage?  Any failure to feed or eject issues?

Regards,

Mannyrock

[Packmule]

I personaly know Ashley Emerson, the inventor of the XS sight system and tried talking him into making some years ago for the 8 and 81  when he still had a say in the company. But it never came to pass he did use my 1895 Winchester to make the prototype AO sight for that model. I guess you could use another model type of AO sight but we haven't tried. And the reason for the tang sight is on these first few they wanted to stay out of the roll stamping and since the 5" of barrel shourd is coming of the back end you lose the rear sight holes.
 As far as the 300 Savage that was a standard caliber in the Model 81 and it has no troubles at all.

[Oldshooter]

Thanks for the post! I'm envious of anyone that can build a rifle!

[oldman60]

Hello all.
Just came across this webpage while checking on the possibility of a way to convert a Remington model 8 or 81 to a carbine version like I saw in the previous photos by "Packmule".  I really don't see any way this can be accomplished  and still get the buffer spring, recoil spring, and recoil spring case, into the barrel jacket, and have the rifle function with any reliability, or function at all.  Not to mention the barrel jacket reinforcement that is brazed inside the barrel jacket just a short distance from the spring entry side.  You would either have to remove the barrel jacket reinforcement portion and move it downward toward the receiver or use an extreamly short buffer and recoil spring which, either, would throw off the timing of the bolt cycling and either not chamber a round or extract it properly.  I'm thinking the above photo's are merely showing a shorter barrel and barrel jacket on a rifle which will not be able to properly function with any reliability, if at all.  It would be nice for the author to chime in on any of the above.  I noticed no one has asked or challenged the mechanical operation of this modification, possibly because of not understanding the workings of the Model 8 or 81. 

[35Rem]

Go to the website in his signature. There is a more detailed post there as well as a video of the rifle functioning just fine.

[mcwoodduck]

I see the Ruger Carbine in 44 as a modern version of the M8.
I would like to see It expanded to a 35 cal. or even a short fat 30 for  a handy woods rifle.

[oldman60]

Go to the website in his signature. There is a more detailed post there as well as a video of the rifle functioning just fine.

Been there and done that.  Shows alot of of history, and photos of the Remington Model 8's and 81's, with standard barrel lengths.  Absolutely nothing shown in video or photo's of the firing of any "carbine version" as depicted by "Packmule", nor any construction notes.  If you think it's there put up the link to the video of the "carbine version", not the standard rifle, being fired.

[35Rem]

http://thegreatmodel8.remingtonsociety.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=41&sid=f7e680c4b507b193d51055b8ac401805

The thread. Apparently the video was removed. There are 3 out there now that I know of. 81Police has pictures of his barrel assembly and chrono results on page 2, as well as contact info for the guy who did it.

[2verpsters]

Oldman60, you've gotten your wish.  I am the creator of the Modern Rem Mod 8/81 Carbine.  At least I am the latest, I've found 2 other versions since I first posted about my 25Rem conversion. 

Luckily I am a rather laid back individual with rather thick skin, otherwise I probably wouldn't waste my time replying to your disbelief.  Do you honestly think that I would take the time to be involved with posting all the info and pics on 2 other forums for no reason other than to waste someone elses time looking at them? Much less, would I go thru the process of making some sort of carbine and then posting about it, then make several more for others, all if it didn't work the 1st time?

I have 5 conversions out there at this time, all of which function flawlessly.  My 25, 81Police's and Pack's 35s in Model 8, and 2 more 81s in 300Sav.  One in Arkansas and one in Wisconsin.  Jim81 is the moniker of the guy in Arkansas and owns the one pictured with my 25 in the black case.  I have 2 more in the works, just haven't had time to get to them yet.

To answer your question about how I made it work, you may need a little more understanding of the mod 8/81 than you apparently have.  Think outside the box.  We know that the springs and jacket reinforcement have to stay in the configuration designed by Mr. Browning.  However, the jacket unscrews from the barrel jacket extension.  Viola, the solution is so simple, it's almost funny.  It causes a few minor issues, but nothing as complicated as moving the jacket reinforcement. 

Here's the link to the video.  It's not doctored in anyway, thats me with my own 25Rem conversion at the local range taken with my wife's camera sitting on the bench next to me.

http://s735.photobucket.com/albums/ww35 ... 0_7249.flv

Enjoy and try to ignore my sarcasm above. 

Regards, Pete.

[35Rem]

http://s735.photobucket.com/albums/ww355/2verpsters/?action=view&current=100_7249.flv

Corrected link.
Hope this answers some questions.