Author Topic: 300 whisper (Read 1971 times)

j350hp · « **on:** October 14, 2009, 03:33:08 AM »

is anybody shootin 300 whisper and do they like it and how accurate is it. i think it would be great for my use and i have a 223 barrel. i would eventually want to supress it.

Graybeard · « **Reply #1 on:** October 14, 2009, 03:38:51 AM »

You CANNOT have a .300 Whisper in your NEF. To be a .300 Whisper it MUST BE DONE BY SSK Industries and they will NOT work on NEF guns PERIOD. You might get someone to make you a .300-221 but if so call it what it is do not use the propriatary name owned by a GBO Sponsor in conjunction with it.

Ruskin · « **Reply #2 on:** October 14, 2009, 04:09:26 AM »

I had one. I converted it to 30-30AI. Much happier.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #3 on:** October 14, 2009, 04:19:13 AM »

Also a 300-221 will not work in a 223 chamber. How about a 300-223.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #4 on:** October 14, 2009, 04:25:13 AM »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.300_Whisper

The .300 Whisper (also known as .300 Fireball or .300-221) is a wildcat cartridge in the Whisper family, a group of cartridges developed in the early 1990s by J.D. Jones of SSK Industries. It was developed as a multi-purpose cartridge, capable of utilizing relatively lightweight bullets at supersonic velocities as well as heavier bullets (200–250 grains) at subsonic velocities.

http://feistyrooster.com/300x221/300x221index.html

dieselten · « **Reply #5 on:** October 14, 2009, 06:40:26 AM »

The only practical reason for getting a 300 whisper, 300-221, etc... is so that it may function in an AR15 with minimal modifications to the gun. At the end of the day it is just a .30 caliber projectile at approx. 1050 fps (in order to remain sub sonic). The Handi rifle is already chambered in 30-06, 308, and 30-30 which are all easily reloadable to drive a .30 projectile at 1050 fps.

The weight (actually the length) of the projectile is limited by the rifling twist. 300 whisper has a 1-8 twist to stabilize the largest .30 caliber projectiles. Handi .30 rifles all have 1-10 twist which are capable of stabilizing a 200 grain flat base spitzer projectile at sub sonic speeds. You need to ask yourself if you want to go to the expense of rebarreling and adding new brass and dies when you can acheive 98% of the results with the current off the shelf product.

I shoot a TC 30-30 and a Handi 30-06 with a can and sub sonic 200 grain loads. Works great.

j350hp · « **Reply #6 on:** October 14, 2009, 09:36:53 AM »

yeah if i was to go the tc route i think i would do the 45 acp route. diesel where did u get ur can and how long is ur overall barrel.

bobg · « **Reply #7 on:** October 14, 2009, 09:55:07 AM »

At one time i had a Contender in 300-221. One of the best shooting barrels i have ever owned. Sold all of my Contenders but think i still have 100 rounds of ammo for it.
bobg

Dweezil · « **Reply #8 on:** October 14, 2009, 12:15:51 PM »

If you can FIND a 7.62x39 handi, (good luck with that) it would work even better than the 30-30 or .'06. Lower case volume, so less vertical stringing with small volumes of pistol powder. It's been called the "Poor Man's Whisper." The 30-30 would be a good second choice, and much easier to find. Try Trail Boss for your subsonic loads in the 30-30. I've had good luck with Red Dot in the x39 loads.
If you actually want to KILL something at subsonic velocities, a Handi in .357 or 45LC would be better choices and could be used with commercial 9mm and 45ACP suppressors.

j350hp · « **Reply #9 on:** October 14, 2009, 03:20:26 PM »

thanks dweezy makes sense

Dweezil · « **Reply #10 on:** October 15, 2009, 05:55:17 AM »

...just keep in mind that milsurp 7.62x39 ammo usually won't function in Handi's (hard primers), which is why they're no longer made.

mannyrock · « **Reply #11 on:** October 15, 2009, 06:30:05 AM »

Most folks I've known who have bought a rifle in .300 Whisper, have done so out of pure curiosity. Then they have fooled around with it for a year or two, grown bored by its so-so ballistics, and quietly sold it.

Mannyrock

Dweezil · « **Reply #12 on:** October 15, 2009, 07:06:28 AM »

Yupp. It's more of a novelty firearm. Unless, of course, you MUST have an AR-15 platform, a .357 Maxi would do the same thing...better... and with a lot less work and money.

petemi · « **Reply #13 on:** October 15, 2009, 09:10:45 AM »

Yes, a salute to the .357 Maximum Handi. I soon will have two of them. You can load it from Red Ryder +p to almost .35 Rem. I like it

Pete

lee1954 · « **Reply #14 on:** October 15, 2009, 11:02:00 AM »

I think SSK Industries has a nice wild cat round .. And they put $$ into developing it too
So Remingon Or someone would have to pay up to have a real Whisper - If I get what Greaybeard is saying.
I have only had a handi for less then 2 years -Wish I'd got one years ago! haveing differant barrels is great..
I really would like a wildcat barrel for My handi - Or just a costom barrel..
The 32-20 but I'd need .32 cal bullet molds and less weight range .... I see that Greenriver makes a blank - Octogon .32 cal for about $130 .. maybe a .32 H&R ---I'd have the .327 Ruger as a step up but still a .32 when I have .308 molds - I like stooting cast ..
I have a .32ACP adapter for my .308 and the wife and I have enjoyed plinking.
That Chuck guy ( the gun writer) had a handi barrel made for a .32 colt - has a web page About it,,, I read it , said he shot turkey with it -- I should have kept the web address...
Anyway,, I've thought a .30 mauser might be fun in a handi plinker or I agree with 7.62 X 39, have It made in .308 cal. to shoot cast bullets which shoot best between 750 and 2200 feet per Second -- making the primer the most costly part of shooting .........home cast and sized bullet, powder and all.. about 10 cents a shot ! Dan Lee

Couger · « **Reply #15 on:** October 15, 2009, 11:57:07 AM »

Quote from: lee1954

..... The 32-20 but I'd need .32 cal bullet molds and less weight range .... I see that Greenriver makes a blank - Octogon .32 cal for about $130 .. maybe a .32 H&R ---I'd have the .327 Ruger as a step up but still a .32 when I have .308 molds - I like stooting cast ..
I have a .32ACP adapter for my .308 and the wife and I have enjoyed plinking.
That Chuck guy ( the gun writer) had a handi barrel made for a .32 colt - has a web page About it,,, I read it , said he shot turkey with it -- I should have kept the web address...
Anyway,, I've thought a .30 mauser might be fun in a handi plinker or I agree with 7.62 X 39, have It made in .308 cal. to shoot cast bullets which shoot best between 750 and 2200 feet per Second -- making the primer the most costly part of shooting .........home cast and sized bullet, powder and all.. about 10 cents a shot!

You don't need a ".32 caliber" mold for some of the things you're contemplating. I picked up an old IDEAL mold for the .32-20 on eBay. It might be designated '3118' or similar, but the same basic design is still offered by Lyman as the 311008 or similar numbering, producing a non gas-checked flat-point weighing @115-116 grains. Mine is a single cavity, but most others are 2-cavity.

The significant thing about that design is that it can be run through a .311-.312 sizer for the .32-20, .32 H&R mag, or the newer .327 Federal Mag, or it can also be sized .308-.309 for the .30 Carbine too!* Actually all of these rounds can shoot .308-.309 cal bullets and boolits, and many of those casings are alternatives to creating "whisper" type rounds! Subsonic velocity is around 1050-1070fps, and a casing isn't "magical" - just the "engine" (holding the propellent) that drives the projectile.

Also, many jacketed .308 cal bullets work successfully in the .311-.312 cartridges as well.

*If one carefully examines the specifications of the T/C Encore barrels in .32-20, .32 H&R, as well as the .300 Whisper and .30 Carbine, every offering is .308 caliber with 1-10in rifling.

Check out eBay for a 3118 or 311008 mold.

lee1954 · « **Reply #16 on:** October 15, 2009, 02:18:50 PM »

I belive that most .308 molds cast to big ---

As you said get a 1 - 10 twist If you shoot longer bullets

I like having my name on my molds LOL lyman is very good
Dan Lee

Couger · « **Reply #17 on:** October 15, 2009, 04:10:37 PM »

Quote from: lee1954

I belive that most .308 molds cast to big --- can't you size them to what you need?

As you said get a 1 - 10 twist If you shoot longer bullets That's simply what T/C uses to make their barrels .....

I like having my name on my molds LOL lyman is very good

T/C actually lists a ".30-20 T/C" which I think is the .32-20 loaded sized to .30 cal and loaded with similar slugs. Wish I knew from actual experience - which is on my to-do list. Starline brass for those rounds is supposed to be the best.

lee1954 · « **Reply #18 on:** October 15, 2009, 06:27:42 PM »

It would be fun to know how many 32-20 barrels there are that are made for handi rifels. I've only seen one for sale in the short time I've been on the graybeard board.... but I'd bet it might be the most popular costom barrel for handi's ----if you don't count the AI's of H&R made barrels..

One reason I'd do a 30-221 over a 32-20 handi, is after I get all the dies and stuff --- do a AR15 whisper

Spanky · « **Reply #19 on:** October 16, 2009, 05:39:11 AM »

Quote from: lee1954 on October 15, 2009, 06:27:42 PM

It would be fun to know how many 32-20 barrels there are that are made for handi rifels.

I've got one and nope it's not for sale.

Spanky

lee1954 · « **Reply #20 on:** October 16, 2009, 02:34:15 PM »

other then It's not for sale ---- tell us more !!!!!!!

If you had to do it all over - how would you put it together ?
how long, and what kind'a barrel -- Is it a handi?
Inquireing minds want to know !!!!!
Dan Lee

Spanky · « **Reply #21 on:** October 17, 2009, 06:10:37 PM »

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,157037.0.html

Here is the link that shows the building of my barrel.
It was a stub project using my 410 as the donor barrel.
The rifle shoots very well... 3 shots will cover with a penny at 50 yds.
I wouldn't part with it.

Spanky

kevinsmith5 · « **Reply #22 on:** October 18, 2009, 06:33:14 AM »

Wow, just looked up some load data on 32-20, that is one efficient cartridge. 14.5 grains of h-110 to push a 125 gr Spitzer out to 2000 fps.