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Winchester 97 shotgun - help ???
« on: October 11, 2003, 11:10:23 AM »
I picked up one of these today. It has a 26" barrel, serial # 63XXX. From what i found on the internet, this makes it an 1898 brush model, "C" stamped above the serial number. Evrything I've ever heard about these guns was that they wouldnt chamber 2 3/4" shells but this one does.......it even chambers a 3" magnum( which is actually 2 1/2" long - not that I'd want to shoot one of these in this gun !!!!) I guess I'm a little confused here......

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« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2003, 12:22:55 PM »
I went back and measured the chamber - it's 2 1/2" to the start of the throat. The shells I use for CAS are the Remington STS light handicap or Winchester AA's. Both of these shells are 2 1/4" in length un-fired and seem to cycle through the gun fine. Are these safe to shoot in this gun or should I be looking for a newer barrel? I also have some original WW1 brass shotshells but these are rather dear to me - they are 2 1/2" long and I suspect are what this gun was made to fire anyways. Any help would be sorely appreciated.
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« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2003, 05:33:30 PM »
While I cant answer your question...I have e-mailed it to someone who can...hopefully he will get back in touch with us soon....

DB

By the way mine will shoot 2 3/4's too.

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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2003, 02:13:52 AM »
DB asked me to respond, so I'll give ya a shadetree view of this.

The chamber is the cylindrical area of the rear of the barrel.  It does not include the tapered portion in front of this cylinder, known as the forcing cone.

The C model was typically chambered for early shotshells which generally spec'd at slightly less than 2 1/2" when OPEN.  Since the shells were made with an overshot card and a roll-crimp, their outward profile looked similar and was similar in length to a modern 2 3/4 in cartridge before firing.  However, modern shells have a star crimp which, when opened upon firing, extends the length of the casing to just under 2 3/4".

That extra 1/4" or so will open in the area of the forcing cone rather than the flat, cylindrical area of the chamber.  This does a couple of things.  First, it constricts the shot coming out of the shell when fired raising chamber pressure and also increases shot deformation...the shot at the rear of the cartridge is crushed by the pressure from the explosion of the charge and it's restriction in the forcing cone.  In the worst circumstance, you have a dangerous chamber pressure.  In the best, poor patterning from deformed shot.

The most effective fix is to lengthen the chamber and extend the forcing cone with a reamer.  A Clymer is probably the best although they are a bit pricey.  If you don't want to do it yourself...and most folks don't, then a competent shotgun smith can do the work for $30 to $35.  A wise investment.

The work will reduce felt recoil, save you the labor of cutting and roll-crimping shells and improve the shot pattern from your 97.

Good luck!

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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2003, 03:41:23 AM »
OK fellas thanks for the advice. I had come to some similar conclusions on my own, but I'm not a shotgunner by any means. And I do know not to pull the trigger even though the shell chambers :)
Who makes the reamers ? Also I've heard of reamer rental companies out there too, just cant think of one off the top of my head.
Lastly,does anyone make 2 1/2" shells anymore ? Eley or Fiocchi, one of those european companies?

thanks again DB and Manatee
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« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2003, 03:54:35 AM »
your welcome Tommy...I figured he would be able to fix ya up...thanks Manatee
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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2003, 06:33:24 AM »
www.brownells.com sells them.  They also sell their own reamer which is cheaper and usable, but not may hold up to use in more than a few barrels.

I don't know who rents them. Especially 16 ga.

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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2003, 09:59:43 AM »
OK I found it. I'm going to propose to my smith that I buy the reamer, he does the work and I give him the reamer. The gun seems to function well otherwise so I'll have a shooter before too long I think.
Thanks for the help !!!!!!!


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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2003, 11:32:21 AM »
My 97 was built in 1929 and it, too, had the short chamber.  When I had Coyote Cap do his action job I had the forcing cone reamed out to modern length.  It's supposed to help reduce recoil but I was more concerned with the excess pressure and possible damage to the gun and me! :eek:
I down load my shotshells because both my brother and I have had rotator culf surgery on our right shoulders and can't take even the Win FeatherLite recoil.  We are at about 60% of the powder of the Winchesters and there is very little recoil and the steel still goes down.  Acts more like a auto shotgun at that powder level.  I've recently posted the load data on this site if you are interested.

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« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2003, 11:31:07 AM »
shotgun is something I'm not set up to load..........I did find some 2 1/2" shells available from Cabelas( 250 Eley 7 1/2s for $69 ), so I'll be up and shooting before long. Maybe those'll kick less than the 2 3/4"s :)

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« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2003, 08:12:32 AM »
A MEC 600 Jr shotgun press is about $100.  Components are about the same as pistol/rifle.  Granted the cost savings in small (if non-existent) but the saving in recoil (and keeping us in CAS) is well worth it--for us.

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« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2003, 01:05:03 PM »
maybe one of these days - I may look for a used one. I load for nineteen calibers AND shoot muzzleloader; if anything i need a bigger backshop. Besides, $0.27 per shot is hard to beat, except for Walmart maybe :)
I will get it re-chambered/coned; when I get to it that is, and I'll still have some of those 2 1/2"s left over too I'm sure :)
thanks again

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