Interesting British swivel gun, original swivel mount

[cannonmn]

Stumbled across these pix on the web-a Bailey and Pegg swivel, with original swivel mount.  The little wood cart with wheels is a later embellishment of course, which I'd lose in a big hurry if this were mine.  I've never seen a swivel mount with maker's marks on it before, and here is one, if the marks are legit.


http://www.vallejogallery.com/item.php?title=19th_Century_Iron_Swivel_Gun_by_Bailey_Pegg_&_Co.&category=Artifacts&id=2214

[KABAR2]

Cannonmn,

Is it just me? I looked through their site, several of the bronze cannons they have listed as "French" "Dutch" "Portuguese" cannon
appear to have a providence more in keeping with Asia?  I am seeing a lot of very flat molded decorations which you find on cannon
from this region rather than European cannon. I also wonder about the iron gun with the brass trunnions and octagon breech that is
being called European, I am thinking Indian. What to you think? there are some interesting cannon that there is no doubt are what
they say they are but some of them in both the artifact section and the archive section I question.

[cannonmn]

Allen, don't be afraid to put links in your posts so we can see what you are discussing. 

This may be one of those you saw-I've seen it kicking around the collector's market for at least 25 years, first saw it at the Baltimore antique gun show that far back.  I've never quite known what to think of it, but "1520?"  No idea.

http://www.vallejogallery.com/item.php?title=Early_Continental_European_Cannon&category=&id=1403

[KABAR2]

Cannonmn,

It was the wee hours of the morning and I was not firing on all cylinders without my first cup of coffee.......

That's the one I was thinking India, I can think of no examples of European cannon with applied brass muzzle and trunnion, the wheels look
like something you would see on an Indian ox cart.

http://www.vallejogallery.com/item.php?title=Early_Continental_European_Cannon&category=&id=1403

Below are the suspect cannon that are being claimed as European, very crude if they are.

http://www.vallejogallery.com/item.php?id=1404

http://www.vallejogallery.com/item.php?id=411

http://www.vallejogallery.com/item.php?id=2065

http://www.vallejogallery.com/item.php?id=1792

http://www.vallejogallery.com/item.php?title=French_42_Inch_Bronze_Dolphin_Handle_Cannon&category=Artifacts&id=2087


After viewing these look at an example of a Dutch cast cannon that I can believe is Dutch, look at the difference in the raised designs

dolphins etc.

 http://www.vallejogallery.com/item.php?id=1230

[KABAR2]

Something I just noticed,

and I think it has to do with the amount of copper/tin used in cannons cast in Asia / Philippines

the green patina has a different color to it than European cannon it is a softer grey-green......

European cannon and American Cannon the green is different brighter somehow.

[Cannoneer]

Thanks for opening this thread, I haven't visited the Vallejo Gallery site for a while now, they now have some interesting scale models that I haven't seen before. This bronze French swivel gun from 1847 that's now listed as sold, has been shown there for a good stretch of time. When I first saw this swivel gun I saved all the pics they showed, it is still one of my favorites.