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Offline Swampman

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I Wish
« on: November 05, 2009, 12:17:42 PM »
I have a Mossberg 500 muzzleloader barrel.  I so wish H&R would have just followed their lead.  The breechplug isn't removable nor does it need to be.  It's cleaned just like an old timey muzzleloader from the muzzle.  You just open the breech, insert 209 primer, close the breech, and fire.  I really want a single shot blackpowder shotgun but I don't want to pay an arm & a leg for it.
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Re: I Wish
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2009, 12:29:38 PM »
make one using a pardner shotgun explain more later if you want me to. 
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Re: I Wish
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2009, 06:22:32 PM »
Quote from: Swampman on November 05, 2009, 12:17:42 PM
I have a Mossberg 500 muzzleloader barrel.  I so wish H&R would have just followed their lead.  The breechplug isn't removable nor does it need to be.  It's cleaned just like an old timey muzzleloader from the muzzle.  You just open the breech, insert 209 primer, close the breech, and fire.  I really want a single shot blackpowder shotgun but I don't want to pay an arm & a leg for it.

So what do you do after 200-300 shots and your flash hole is eroded? Throw it away and buy another?

The breech plug is replacable, and therefore renewable. I have some custom breech plugs with a removable vent liner that should last about forever. I like removable breech plugs, they allow you to customize your ignition and replace your worn out flash hole. Just my 2 cents.
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Re: I Wish
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2009, 11:20:16 PM »
They could do a removable vent liner similar to a flintlock.  Seem like a non-issue.
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Re: I Wish
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2009, 11:43:40 PM »
and a while ago when one of the new breech plug upgrades was introduced you posted you wish you hadn't gotten rid of your sidekick cuz this made it wonderful.  Now you complain because the breech plug is removable. 
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Re: I Wish
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2009, 12:15:17 AM »
I'm not complaining.  I'm saying it doesn't need to be removeable & I wish they made a cheap muzzleloading shotgun.  It could sell for $117.00 at Walmart because it would be cheaper to produce.
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Re: I Wish
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2009, 09:21:24 PM »
I also have a Mossburg conversion barrel.  Used it to kill my first muzzloader Moose, back about 10 years ago.  Shoot good, but I hate that the breech does not come out.  Makes it real hard to clean.  My Encore and Huntsman, are so much easier to clean, just by removing the breech plug.  It's impossible to get all the corrosion causing scum out of the Mossberg barrel.  Just look at how hard it is to clean the channel of the breech plugs with them removed.  There is no way anyone is going to get all those little recesses clean when the breech plug does not come out.

Plus I hate the old bucket of hot water system.  With the breech plug removed, four or five passes with patches and windshield washer fluid and the barrel is clean.  Then wash the breech plug with the same stuff, done.  It's so much easier than using the bucket of hot water. 
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Re: I Wish
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2009, 01:50:59 AM »
I don't use hot water.  I fill it (the barrel)full of windshield washer fluid or Windex (let it set awhile) and just pour the fouling out.  Having shot traditional muzzleloaders for over 30 years I have no problem cleaning it at all.  Hot water will flash rust your barrel.  Use tepid if you must use water.
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