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Offline Big Al in Nebr

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relative action strengths?
« on: October 19, 2009, 09:35:13 AM »
Is there a list of relative actions strengths of different leverguns?  Something that would put them in order?  Don't have a definite purpose, just curious.

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Re: relative action strengths?
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2009, 10:36:41 AM »
Not that I've ever seen but who knows it might.

I'd think the Browning might be at the top based on rounds chambered to it and of course the Savage 99. The Winchester M92 and 1886 it's larger brother might fall in there next. Behind them fall such as the Marlin, Winchester 94, Mossberg and then in dead last would be the Winchesters from days of old like the M73, M66, Henry and the like.

That's not definitive or all enclusive but is kinda how they rate. I think the Winchester '95 and '71 are likely in the same general category as the M92 and 1886 but honestly am not sure just where to place them.


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Re: relative action strengths?
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2009, 02:31:19 PM »
Not that I've ever seen but who knows it might.

I'd think the Browning might be at the top based on rounds chambered to it and of course the Savage 99. The Winchester M92 and 1886 it's larger brother might fall in there next. Behind them fall such as the Marlin, Winchester 94, Mossberg and then in dead last would be the Winchesters from days of old like the M73, M66, Henry and the like.

That's not definitive or all enclusive but is kinda how they rate. I think the Winchester '95 and '71 are likely in the same general category as the M92 and 1886 but honestly am not sure just where to place them.

My WAG, feel free to edit, move stuff around and add where I forgot something

BLR, Win 88
Savage 99
Winchester 95
Win 71
Win 94, Marlin 336 & various spinoffs of each
Win 86
Win 92
win 73


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Re: relative action strengths?
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2009, 04:47:44 PM »
Not that I've ever seen but who knows it might.

I'd think the Browning might be at the top based on rounds chambered to it and of course the Savage 99. The Winchester M92 and 1886 it's larger brother might fall in there next. Behind them fall such as the Marlin, Winchester 94, Mossberg and then in dead last would be the Winchesters from days of old like the M73, M66, Henry and the like.

That's not definitive or all enclusive but is kinda how they rate. I think the Winchester '95 and '71 are likely in the same general category as the M92 and 1886 but honestly am not sure just where to place them.

My WAG, feel free to edit, move stuff around and add where I forgot something

BLR, Win 88
Savage 99
Winchester 95
Win 71
Win 94, Marlin 336 & various spinoffs of each
Win 86
Win 92
win 73



It's interesting that you would rate the Winchester model 71, higher than the Winchester 1886, since they are the same basic action...!

Early 1886 rifles may be rated lower in action strength, than later models,  because of improvements in metalurgy, in later years.

Bill

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Re: relative action strengths?
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2009, 05:53:02 PM »
Yup I'd definitely put the '92 and it's big brother the '86 ahead of the Marlin and Win 94 both and as you say the '71 really is just an '86 chambered to one round only. I had forgotten and left out the Win 88 but don't think I'd rate it as strong as the Browning since it was never chambered to rounds other than the .308 and .284 Win type cases. The Browning works with belted mags and for that reason I'd think it should be at the top but that's just my guess at it.


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Re: relative action strengths?
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2009, 06:19:14 AM »
Not that I've ever seen but who knows it might.

I'd think the Browning might be at the top based on rounds chambered to it and of course the Savage 99. The Winchester M92 and 1886 it's larger brother might fall in there next. Behind them fall such as the Marlin, Winchester 94, Mossberg and then in dead last would be the Winchesters from days of old like the M73, M66, Henry and the like.

That's not definitive or all enclusive but is kinda how they rate. I think the Winchester '95 and '71 are likely in the same general category as the M92 and 1886 but honestly am not sure just where to place them.


My WAG, feel free to edit, move stuff around and add where I forgot something

BLR, Win 88
Savage 99
Winchester 95
Win 71
Win 94, Marlin 336 & various spinoffs of each
Win 86
Win 92
win 73



It's interesting that you would rate the Winchester model 71, higher than the Winchester 1886, since they are the same basic action...!

Early 1886 rifles may be rated lower in action strength, than later models,  because of improvements in metalurgy, in later years.

Bill


metallurgy was the only reason I used to distinguish. 71 from 86.

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Re: relative action strengths?
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2009, 09:59:45 AM »
M92 must rate higher than M94/336. The 35 Remington is 33,500 while the .454 Casull is usually listed at 50,000.

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Re: relative action strengths?
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2009, 10:02:50 PM »
I would rate the lever actions as follows:
Win 88, BLR and Savage 99 (post WWII)
Savage 99 Pre WWII
Win 86 (Japanese made), Win 92 (Japanese made and newer clones)
Win 86 (post 1935 (includes Model 71)) and 92 Win Pre WWII).
Marlins (since WWII) and 94 Winchesters
Marlins (pre WWII), 95 Winchesters
All toggle link Winchesters ( and clones) and Pre WWII Marlins.