American Troops who Avoid Deployment

[Dweezil]

We need a universal draft.  Male and female.  18-26.  3 years.  No exceptions. With an all volunteer force, most Americans have no idea what war really means.  Most care more about what's for dinner or what re-run is playing on TV tonight than the reasons or the reality of our countries wars of choice. Oh, they have a vague, abstract idea but having a son or daughter on the ground in Iraq or Afghanistan would make it less elementary and a lot more real.  I'm no pacifist... but I've always believed a "good" war (if there is such a thing) is one you are willing to fight yourself, or send your OWN children to fight.  It's sooo easy to send other peoples kids. As a veteran, now working at a VA hospital, I see the consequences of war every day.  It ain't pretty.

[Oldshooter]

Maybe not a universal draft. but a mandatory service commitment of two years for every person at the age of 18. no exclusions but medical and then only from combat. there is something even a less than healthy individual could do.

[Cabin4]

I'm going to go way out on a limb here.

There was a day, long ago when I would have joined our military. Back when I was 18, now 30 years ago, I came within inches of joining the Army. Today, setting aside my age, I would never join our military. I don't cast any dispersions on those that do. My beef is real simple, I just don't trust our government nor our politicians anymore. We have moved to far away from our constitution. How can someone like me believe in joining the military? Why would I put my life in the hands of illegal and corrupt thugs that run this country?

Setting aside the above, If I did join, I would refuse to deploy to Iraq or Afghanistan. Those are illegal wars with a president who is leaving them high & dry. My oath is the constitution, not some politician(s) and their unconstitutional endeavors.

Whats wrong with my thinking here?

Absolutely NOTHING is wrong with your thinking.  I DID join the Army.  Did 8 years enlisted and 5 as an officer...and took the oath both times to "defend the CONSTITUTION of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic..."  After an 18month deployment, and after fulfilling all my obligations, I resigned my commission because my "commander in chief", a wartime deserter himself, was systematically violating the Constitution I had sworn to defend, prosecuting illegal and immoral wars and forcing soldiers to fight and die, not for the Constitution, but for greed and political expedience.

Regarding the original post. Sounds like the Specialist/single mother has rendered due diligence by filing her Family Care Plan as required by command.  This would have made her deployable.  It's not her fault her mother flaked out and is reneging on her responsibility at the last minute.  Bottom line, at this point, her commander cannot consider her a deployable asset without a functional Family Care plan and they will have to start the process to board her out.  This is usually done as a hardship discharge. This happens all the time, and is usually quietly and efficiently handled by command without any need for media hysteria.  It will NOT be a dishonorable discharge.

Yes, our out of control government is the worst enemy of the people and our constitution. I fear them more, than I do any terrorist or 2-bit dictator half way around the world. I could care less about these rouge nations and all there BS, the BS of Europe and the rest of the world. Our founding fathers warned us about medaling in the affairs of foreign nations. We want our nations independence  respected yet we respect no others thanks to the under-handed filth mongers at the UN and the super duper rich slime balls that pull all the strings behind the curtains.

I would never wear a uniform and fight for this current federal government. Most of the people running this country should be in jail for violating the constitution

[Dweezil]

Admit it.  You're just a coward.

[Dweezil]

Maybe not a universal draft. but a mandatory service commitment of two years for every person at the age of 18. no exclusions but medical and then only from combat. there is something even a less than healthy individual could do.

The problem with a 2 year enlistment is that our modern military is become increasingly dependant on technology which requires more training time.  Most military specialties require the better part of a year of training before you are fully mission capable.  This only leaves a year of working time after training status.

[nw_hunter]

Admit it.  You're just a coward.

I don't believe he is a coward! I don't know the man personally, but I can't blame anyone for not wanting to fight for this bunch of (*&%^%^(*_+ That we have running (RUINING) our lives today.

I am a veteran, that served in the Army before and during the early days of the Vietnam war, and believed the powers that be, wouldn't dare send us into an unjust war. To be willing to lay down your life for a just cause is one thing, but doing it for a bunch of SORRY A- - criminals is another.

Would you send your son's and daughters off to fight for Al Capone, or a modern day racketeer?
This bunch in power now, and the ones before make them look like Sunday school teachers.

If I had it to do all over again, I'm sure I would have joined. But knowing what I know today,and being....I think wiser. NO WAY! These aggression wars today , are fought for the powerful and rich, on the backs of the poor.

[Dee]

nw_hunter I don't believe he's a coward either. Sounds pretty smart to me. Dweezil in another thread today said that the reason he got out of the military was because of Bush and the MONEY WARS Bush had started, and he had little faith in the present clown in chief.
His remark was made out of an arrogant superiority complex. Dweezil seems to be taking himself too seriously, and the remark was tastelessly uncalled for.

[nw_hunter]

[ Dweezil seems to be taking himself too seriously, and the remark was tastelessly uncalled for.
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Well put, Dee!

[Dweezil]

Admit it.  You're just a coward.

I don't believe he is a coward! I don't know the man personally, but I can't blame anyone for not wanting to fight for this bunch of (*&%^%^(*_+ That we have running (RUINING) our lives today.

I am a veteran, that served in the Army before and during the early days of the Vietnam war, and believed the powers that be, wouldn't dare send us into an unjust war. To be willing to lay down your life for a just cause is one thing, but doing it for a bunch of SORRY A- - criminals is another.

Would you send your son's and daughters off to fight for Al Capone, or a modern day racketeer?
This bunch in power now, and the ones before make them look like Sunday school teachers.

If I had it to do all over again, I'm sure I would have joined. But knowing what I know today,and being....I think wiser. NO WAY! These aggression wars today , are fought for the powerful and rich, on the backs of the poor.

I don't think he is a coward either...and if you read my previous post I wholeheartedly agreed with him.  He said something he truly believed and could have exposed him to ridicule among the "America Love it or Leave it Crowd" because it's true and it needed to be said.  It takes bravery to "speak truth to power" and doing so is usually unpopular and is often labeled "cowardly" or "unpatriotic." Unfortunately, lots of folks who choose not to fight in or support what they feel to be unjust wars are labeled cowards.
When I was deployed,  I had a cousin, a "chairborne Ranger" who had never served a day in the military, call me a traitor because I told him I thought the war in Iraq was morally wrong, as well as politically and tactically stupid.  There's irony for you.
I meant the "coward" comment as dark humor...or didn't you see the smiley.
Y'all just don't get my humor.  But then, I've been told all us medical folks have a weird sense of humor.

[nw_hunter]

Well I'll be dang! Looked again.......you did put a wink in there. Been away from the south too long. Lost my sense of humor

[Dee]

Dweezil, I will also accept that.

[Dweezil]

NW_hunter:
Is Southwest still considered South?  Cuz, if so, I think I might be Southern.

Dee:
Y'know. I realize this is a touchy subject and all...but I think you've been takin' yourself waay to seriously.
(Oh, sheeit...better put that smiley in.  There, fixed it. )
    Whew...that was close!

[nw_hunter]

NW_hunter:
Is Southwest still considered South?  Cuz, if so, I think I might be Southern.



That Y'all is what threw me!I've been living out here on the left coast, for so long, I use( you guy's) instead of Y'all. Everytime I go back home I get the stare, and the (He's a Yankee) ain't he ?From the young relatives. When I go out to dinner or anywhere in public with my brother, he say's.......Let  me do the talkin!

[Dee]

NW_hunter:
Is Southwest still considered South?  Cuz, if so, I think I might be Southern.

Dee:
Y'know. I realize this is a touchy subject and all...but I think you've been takin' yourself waay to seriously.
(Oh, sheeit...better put that smiley in.  There, fixed it. )
   Whew...that was close!

nw_hunter, I'm beginning to think my first analysis was probably correct. Yea, it was. He's trollin. 

[bearmgc]

I remember a nurse I worked with joined the reserves, and tried to get all her co-workers to join. I was already a Vet by then and had also served in the Nat Guard. She kept saying easy money and you meet pilots, heheh. Then Desert Storm happened, she suddenly developed tooth aches, female problems etc. They put her crying histerically on that plane to the big desert. She really believed that she wouldn't get deployed. Her husband was a Capt in another unit. He also got deployed. When they got back, he divorced her. She was Ms "make believe", I can get my way if I cry kinda gal...

[billy_56081]

I remember a nurse I worked with joined the reserves, and tried to get all her co-workers to join. I was already a Vet by then and had also served in the Nat Guard. She kept saying easy money and you meet pilots, heheh. Then Desert Storm happened, she suddenly developed tooth aches, female problems etc. They put her crying histerically on that plane to the big desert. She really believed that she wouldn't get deployed. Her husband was a Capt in another unit. He also got deployed. When they got back, he divorced her. She was Ms "make believe", I can get my way if I cry kinda gal...

Sgt. Androzi was a coward and deserter, they caught him before we deployed, but he did not make the trip wiht us as he would have been a casualty. If I ever see him again, I will personally walk up to him and punch him in the face. He is of the grade of scum that I would not urinate on if he were on fire. It does not have anything to do with what "we" believed of the the war or our CIC, it had all to do with "us" as a unit. I would have had not problem what so ever pulling the trigger on him as part of a firing squad. In fact I would have volunteered.

[bearmgc]

This nurse did not come back to work after her return from Desert Storm. It wouldn't have been a good idea, being Wyoming and all....

[Dweezil]

We had a Dentist in my unit that suddenly decided he HAD to have bilateral bunionectomy as soon as our unit got alert orders.  He actually saw us off when we MOB'ed...with his wife pushing his wheelchair and slippercasts on both feet. Sickening...but what do you do? He was a Major, and I was only a 1LT at the time. 

[nw_hunter]

nw_hunter, I'm beginning to think my first analysis was probably correct. Yea, it was. He's trollin. 
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  You think perhaps there is  DWEEZIL IN THE DHENHOUSE?

[Dee]

nw_hunter, I'm beginning to think my first analysis was probably correct. Yea, it was. He's trollin. 

  You think perhaps there is  DWEEZIL IN THE DHENHOUSE?
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It's POSSE BULL.

[BBF]

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Put yourself in there place, how would you like to serve with Obama as commander in Chief?

Not one milli second