Only Sarah could have said it!

[ms]

So we disagree on this one point. I'll save you reading any articles pertaining to my 'assumption', except for the following observations.

Suffice to say she is a milleniumnist, which means she is ignores the facts who was an illegitmate son from a sister affair, and who was legitimate from a legal marriage, thusly an Isaacian when all should be neither a Isaacian nor an Ismaelite...but instead heirs ofAbraham together....that alone sums it up. This means she does not get the root of America's foreign policy problems; in fact, likely ignores the cause of these problems and blowback. She claims loving Israel, she has an israel flag in her office, she gives her approval of isreali occupation of confiscated lands and water, she has never said israel should back off a little and establish borders and ratify a constitution and give up Marxism and stop spying on us and selling secrets, being absolutely noncritical in this area. She has never expressed any (even a little) concern about the Palestinian genocide. She supports continuing aid to Israel and supplys of weaponry and munitions from this debtor nation. She has never expressed any depth of understanding of the muzzie world more than PM's depth of understanding. She has paid homage to aipac and apparently passed muster there. as she was not attacked by them for much. I'll stop here. The old adage holds true, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...yeah, probably a duck.

Aside from that she's a nice lady and easy on the eyes, but normalization of our mideast policy is a key deal to get my vote.


..TM7

Don't forget about the affair!

[Squib]

chosenist tm7, do you mean divine .. no manifest destiny, that's it

everyone thinks that god is on their side, all nations claim this, and the other guys out there don't worship the REAL god and jesus- no they don't worship a different interpretation than us but a different being, and we're ENTITLED to all we can get because god says to

that idea fueled mercantilism and christian socialism.  the mercantilism (royal mafia) I refer to is the one that was the US original economy prior to breaking from england- and that's products from tea to slaves.  christian socialism was people in the early 1900's pushing for socialism to establish god's kingdom (I'm not pulling your legs, look it up- grand experiments and such), and that's the socialists that actually believed in god.  some socialists just wanted to replace god with the state (which is sort of the reason for public schools- keep them in check and programmed until 18, instead of taught the basics and released as a young teen- and in a godless environment no less)

[ironglow]

  TM;
  You are correct in that since Sarah is in the political arena, her background is fair game..but just since the Palin's have a fishing boat, that they are at all likely to be skewing things toward fishermen.
   I drive a Ford truck, but if I were a public official, someone would have to be a dedicated cynic to assume I were favoring Ford Motor Co. Fact is I have Marlin, Ruger,Savage, CZ and other guns, a Cub Cadet garden tractor, use CCI ammo a lot, enjoy Coca Cola, have stock in GE, Exxon and several other majors, ate Butterball turkey for Thanksgiving etc, etc ad infinitem.  Any self-respecting cynic could go nuts, trying to connect me to something nefarious....and find nothing.
    As with Dee, I believe Israel is where it belongs and where it has title to, still I am not an "Israel Firster"..because I still treasure my homeland most..even though I doubt some of our national leaders.

  Squib;
  There is such an animal as is called a Christian Socialist, but in conversation with many fellow Christians here, I doubt  you could find 1 in 30 here that match the description. Other terms for the movement are "Social Gospel" and "Liberation Theology"...either of which are far short of the true Gospel. Without delving into details, (IMO) one cannot be a Christian Socialist and be genuine, Bible directed Christian.
  The Liberation Theology gang are doing their best to mix Communism with Christianity..may as well try oil & water!
  Some claimed that Obama's Rev Wright is the best example of liberation theology to make itself visible since those who raised the bruhaha in Nicaragua a couple decades ago.

[Squib]

Ironglow, I was thinking more along the lines of the democratic parties power-hungry scheming that began during the industrial revolution and great wars period...

if you want to connect the dots from the christian socialists to reverend wright to now then please do (I'm not an expert on his agenda- I thought he was just leading the pawns/infantry in the kulturkampf to victory and death- achieving socialism and then being snuffed out when not needed)

[ironglow]

  Rev Wright's TUCC in Chicago is very much into liberation theology, more specifically. black liberation theology..that is where BHO's Socialist/Marxist leanings a comfortable nest for over 20 years.

 http://www.tucc.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=114

  BTW: The remark made by ms in his post #74 is quite telling.
  Depending upon where one slithers around in the muck, they can find "stories" about Hillary and the Black Panthers, and I suppose there are such  "stories" about Laura Bush also...depending upon where one wallows..
   I don't know how you folks feel about people who spread outrageous, unfounded rumors..but I know what my opinion is of them.

[ironglow]

  Squib;
  Here is a video of some dancing done in Rev Wright's TUCC. The performers are dressed mostly in camo and they are chanting something about fighting an enemy. That enemy can't be Satan, because against Satan would be a spiritual fight..so they wouldn't need camo. Makes one wonder just who they are going to war against.
  I can't quite make out what they are chanting..but if you can, please tell me the gist of it.

 http://www.youtube.com/user/TRINITYCHGO

[Squib]

strangely enough the black liberation is about militant deviance.... and although strangely oxymoronic in it's own right, those people use christian evangelical preaching and ALSO islamic domination at the same time... seems like they just try to guide the gullible into religious idiocy instead of leading people to actual salvation... I suppose they have to read the bible or qur'an at some point so they might get some kind of guidance but I doubt it.... when I was a kid I'd believe and repeat what I was told but I also was afraid of the boogey man... I think that religious liberals are the same way and just throw religion in with the rest of their mixed up thoughts to further complicate matters INSTEAD of looking for sin rather than monsters

it's also weird how liberation and freedom equate to protection and preferential treatment in the body politic.. like a backwards apartheid

all that talk of back to africa, go do it mo-fo's and send the dutch over here, we'll trade 'ya 

[Squib]

take the bait ironglow..

what's the difference between an afrikaaner and an amishman?

take the bait, take the bait

[pmeisel]

Wow, folks, tell us what you really think!

My opinion on Sarah's political future is this -- anyone who thinks Katie Couric is a tough interviewer, or gets miffed because she feels disrespected by questions, ain't gonna survive in that league.  Unless she does a total remake she is dead as a national candidate.

And she doesn't strike me as someone who really wants to be a politician either.  She'd rather be a celebrity.  The Alaska, moose-hunting, outdoorsy, folksy new Oprah.

Only time will prove this right or wrong.  In 3 or 4 years folks who want to compare notes on the aftermath are welcome to look me up to share a cold beverage and a rehash of the events....

[Squib]

we need a counter to obama's charismatic appeal to minorities.... he's getting factory workers and farmers too

so if we don't get a white/folksy/hunter type to pull the blue collar white man back then we are in trouble, we need a face too
john mccain probably lost because he couldn't perform that role well enough

plus I want to believe we'll get a nra/shooter on the throne... speaking of pro-gun, think michael bolton will come back to the white house?

[mechanic]

Dee,
I sure would have hated to be interrogated by you when you were a cop.  You have a bad habit of "cutting to the chase".  Sometimes one line on the church sign is worth more than the whole sermon..........

Actually mechanic, it wasn't an interrogation. TM7 STARTED OUT SAYING: " WHAT I DO KNOW". I simply wanted to to know HOW HE "KNEW". I think it's obvious he doesn't know at all. She doesn't fit his thought process and beliefs and he was setting up another opportunity to defame her some more while someone tried to defend indefensible questions that were constructed to be so, and weren't really questions at all, but OPINIONS. He is continually guilty of precisely what he accuses others of. Uninformed assumptions. I am thus far surprised that he has not "yet" defended the poor Muslim that shot up Ft. Hood.

Just poking fun at ya'.  Actually, this has gotten too deep for me.  I like to boil things down to basics.....

[Squib]

all I got from the first half of that video of camo dancing in the church... race and rising up (rising up by leveling the establishment and making us all unhappy and desperate I guess), striking down the enemies, camo + striking down the enemies is a symbolic militant gesture, and the crump/street dancing... I guess satan fears a gun held ineptly like a g from the streets would do.... all the movies with guns, holy water and wafers, crosses, ... if the guns were fired with an exaggerated lateral cant then satan/demons/etcetera will fall??

or it's a stand up and do your part as an african american- deconstruct the establishment, tear out all you can and corrupt the rest to gain dominance, and if you do then altough you just destroyed real wealth and comfort so what because at least you don't have to feel like a minority, you're equal now.  level the castle and then everyone can live in a straw hut?  something like that I believe.  also watch more BET

it's also funny that they push that militant stuff without doing anything but attacking gun ownership... guess that means they're just gonna fight the kulturkampf and that was just a ritual jubilee to work them up and raise morale for the front line fighters and funders (like acorn)

[Squib]

mechanic, simple is fine but that's not the world we live in.... if your brain doesn't hurt, you're not learning
all we've got done on here is complaining and preaching, bring a good argument or a lively sermon
dee's back online so he'll be throwing in soon, just hold out a few minutes- his style is bold and to the point





anyone gonna take the bait now (dutch bakery goodies...)

[Dee]

Dee,
I sure would have hated to be interrogated by you when you were a cop.  You have a bad habit of "cutting to the chase".  Sometimes one line on the church sign is worth more than the whole sermon..........

Actually mechanic, it wasn't an interrogation. TM7 STARTED OUT SAYING: " WHAT I DO KNOW". I simply wanted to to know HOW HE "KNEW". I think it's obvious he doesn't know at all. She doesn't fit his thought process and beliefs and he was setting up another opportunity to defame her some more while someone tried to defend indefensible questions that were constructed to be so, and weren't really questions at all, but OPINIONS. He is continually guilty of precisely what he accuses others of. Uninformed assumptions. I am thus far surprised that he has not "yet" defended the poor Muslim that shot up Ft. Hood.

Just poking fun at ya'.  Actually, this has gotten too deep for me.  I like to boil things down to basics.....

Yep! It has gotten more philosophical than factual for the most part. I think I'll skip out of this one. It has run its course I think.

[scootrd]

In regards to what you say Palin IS, and I will not redundantly repeat it, as it has been printed by yourself. This is a "SPECULATIVE CONCLUSION" OF YOURS, not necessarily a fact. The only possible way it can be a fact is that if she for example SAYS: I am an Israel first-er!

Hi Dee ,
I' not sure what the term first-er means , but I did find this .. Appears Sarah not only wants Israel to exist but to Expand it's boundries. For my own knowledge could someone please explain what a Firster is? I see it banterered around on this site a lot but not sure what the definition is .  

Palin Interview With Barbara Walters

    PALIN: I believe that the Jewish settlements should be allowed to be expanded upon, because that population of Israel is, is going to grow. More and more Jewish people will be flocking to Israel in the days and weeks and months ahead. And I don’t think that the Obama administration has any right to tell Israel that the Jewish settlements cannot expand.

    Barbara Walters: Even if it’s [in] Palestinian areas?

    PALIN: I believe that the Jewish settlements should be allowed to be expand.

[Squib]

what the founders would think is irrelevant to the current debate... that's what makes no sense to me
they're dead men who had lives and opinions given structure by old europe and colonial america, neither of which exist anymore
if they were alive now they would go nuts over federalism and minimalism just like they did before, blah-blah

what matters is the law, it was sensible then, it is sensible now, it will always be the law
the law isn't relative to any specific time or place on our soil, it's solid and uncompromising.  we need executive, judicial and legislative bodies to follow it because we the people are held accountable barring political interference

our politicians are in violation of ethics laws, get dirty money (aipac, acorn... it is a long list), play power games with other nations (cold war, israel/palestine- not a static border anymore), conspire in not at all public assemblies and are not held accountable to the public but once per term.  the people think it's okay so the people vote the congress back in over and over.  the founders don't have a say anymore.  they left their advice and dire warnings- even left us comprehensible laws and moral justification for the application of those laws- but if the voters won't use it then we're all screwed... only congress has a say anymore so congress needs to be reformed.  with the republican hardcore and moderate elements infighting there might be hope, they might just stop being civil and expose some of the corruption.  I hope so because the democrats aren't doing the US much good right now.  maybe more republicans will peel away and go to a third party, bob barr and alan keyes ran libertarian and constitutionalist last presidential election- maybe they can pull more away.