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Deer herd conditions in your state
« on: June 26, 2009, 03:09:05 PM »
In Arizona, the desert mulies have taken a big hit due to the draught we have had here the last 11 years. I grew up hunting the big monster desert bucks ever since I was old enough to hunt,which is 42 years. The desert growth ,which they need to survive well has just been decimated by the draught.And what the dryness hasn't taken care of the fawn survival rates have been lowered drastically by the coyotes and other predetation.I really doubt it will recover in my hunting life,so two years ago might be my last desert hunt.In the high country, they have fared a bit better. Now they are competing with Elk, as we have had a pretty good Elk explosion. The Whitetails seem to be doing ok,but are getting a lot of poaching by the illegals coming across the southern border. Conditions/outlooks in your area?

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Re: Deer herd conditions in your state
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2009, 04:18:06 PM »
 ;) I would say deer in Wy. are only poor to fair. Nowwhere I have seen is good to excellent. We have to deal with predatory animals and birds, poaching, etc. But I am sure this is a problem everywhere.  ??? We had some bad winters and that is what knocks the animals up here. Plus as you say the elk explosion. We have elk where they were not found when I came here 40 years ago. While elk have a glamor for many hunters, the mule deer is the real trophy in this country. :D Elk are doing well, but mulies are having a tough time. We are also faced with more and more whitetails, which few of the hunters I know want to find in mulie country. :(

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Re: Deer herd conditions in your state
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2009, 02:29:08 PM »
My observations are as follows, whitetails took a big hit this past winter.  The predators seem to have hit the whitetails in the mountain timber areas.  Whitetails seem to be more vulnerable to harsh winter and predadation.  On the other hand, I am seeing a resurgance in the Mulie numbers around here.  Over the last couple of decades, whitetails have taken over a lot of areas that were once mule deer domain.  I am finally seeing some reversal of that pattern.  Mulies are coming back around here and whitetails are a bit on the decline.
    The Elk numbers, in my observations are as good or better than ever, but some reports do contradict my observations.  A lot of blame is being placed directly on the explosion of predators, including the reintroduction of wolves.  Again, what I am seeing is an increase in the numbers and range, so I have to wonder how much of the reports are linked to the rhetorical battleground of western issues.
   What I do see is a change in behavior of local elk.  Some of the change I attribute to increase in predator numbers (thats a really big increase) and some of the change is attributed to changing of land ownership.  Some local property owners have created new safe havens for elk.  The new ownership are often not running a cattle opp., leading to a decrease in bovine numbers on the ranges and as a result of those two factors, the number of elk in these areas are exploding. Traditional logic is that, the further you get from human presence, the more elk you'll find.  Around here, the opposite might be the "new norm".  Elk are leaving the wilderness areas and heading into their wintering areas on private land earlier and earlier every year.  Last year, on the first day of hunting season, the wilderness area I was in had beaucoup predators and almost no elk.  The elk were already down on their wintering grounds where they used to wait until December to head down there.  Now in other areas with traditional land ownership (hunter friendly ranchers) the opposite is true. 
  Where safe havens do not exist, the elk are staying up on the peaks longer, because later starting winters allows them to linger up high and out of reach to a lot of hunters.
 
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Re: Deer herd conditions in your state
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2009, 04:15:34 AM »
Id say they are hanging in there.   We have had two tough winters in a row.   Im surprised I see as many deer and elk as I do, but they seem to be doing pretty good.

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Re: Deer herd conditions in your state
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2009, 10:16:51 AM »
SW oregon, has had a boom of Mtn lions and bears, add ont top of that andro virus and hair loss syndrom our blacktail populations are hurting.  I saw more black bears during deer season than I saw bucks last year. although I have seen lots of young deer this year.

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Re: Deer herd conditions in your state
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2009, 01:41:27 AM »
Mule deer around the Amado/Green Valley area of southern Az are in good numbers.  The whitetail seem on the short side.  Prior to the start of hunting season, a trip to the field would lead to several mule deer spottings.  Seeing whitetails was a rarity.JMO 8)
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Re: Deer herd conditions in your state
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2009, 04:48:47 AM »
I can never go to Green Valley and not be lured by the pecan trees. ;D I always stop there,and pick the ones that fall outside the fence line. Add a couple cold beers and you have a party!

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« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2009, 06:49:20 AM »
Sounds like a plan.  For those living in the area, the Pecan trees are the reason the river is dry.  They do seem to harbor alot of game however.  I live down in Amado, Az.
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Re: Deer herd conditions in your state
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2009, 05:04:33 PM »
I live in Goodyear but was born in Sierra Vista over half a century ago.

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Re: Deer herd conditions in your state
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2009, 01:09:46 PM »
southern california, IMO isnt doing well iether... Its way too thick with old non nutritional growth, very dry,lots of fires, small deer, poor antler growth, low numbers, poaching from illegal border jumpers, too many hunters, nobody realy manages the deer as far as cull programs or just your average hunter. I do what I can but I'm only one person & on public land its impossible. I spend alot of time just picking up trash from lazy disrespectful hunters who throw there crap all over my forest.
most "hunters" arent hunters at all & dont deserve the right to hunt. their season starts on opening day & they shoot the first deer they see weather its big or small. they only take,take,take & never put any effort back into preserving the forest or wildlife we have. If this doesnt change we wont have it to enjoy. This thread is proof that its getting worse for alot of us. Sad really. : (
My season never closes, I scout year round & look for sheds at least once a week if its not snowing or raining hard. I generaly fill my pack with more trash than anything else but its very rewarding for me. I see & experience things most people never in there lifetime will ever see. The hardest part of all this is not having anyone to help. I dont get it.

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Re: Deer herd conditions in your state
« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2009, 05:24:52 PM »
If you live in southern California, then you must have seen the debree left by Mexicans crossing into the United States.  Piles of backpacks, clothing, water bottles, toiletry.  Back seats from vechiles that were stolan and striped to hall people or drugs.  Not to mention abanded cars & trucks.  One of the areas by my house, the man leasing the property has quite replacing his gate that eather the illegals or the Border Patrol keep craching through.  At the top of the hill from his gate they ran through the fence next to his other gate.  The poor man just can't win. :-\  We have also had some fires traced to illegals tring to get warm then leaving the fires without putting them out. ???  
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Re: Deer herd conditions in your state
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2009, 10:00:17 AM »
I'm glad I dont live that close! :o
If I lived that close to the border I would have a new species to hunt year round.
Its still bad where I live tho...
This year, one of them took my deers head & arrow but left his tecate beer cans piled with the carcus hidden up under some bushes. It was my first buck & first deer with a bow. having this happen still didn't change the fact that this was my best year deer hunting & I'm not gunna let it get to me. I got my whole life ahead of me!
Cant wait till next season!

Over all IMHO, California doesn't get the credit it deserves for mule deer. In some areas, Its probably the hardest place in the U.S to hunt mule deer. people are just too lazy to work for it. some just dont have the time to scout either but you cant expect to get one if you dont put at least some effort into it.

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Re: Deer herd conditions in your state
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2009, 11:19:08 AM »
I'll not say that Californis isn't a state that doesn't have game or great country.  The problem is the gun laws are so screwed up many do not want to go there.  Sorry your first trophy was spoiled, but you have the right attitude.  Good luck in future hunts. 8)
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Re: Deer herd conditions in your state
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2009, 10:21:48 AM »
CALIFORNIA GUN LAWS... DONT REMIND ME!
CALIFORNIA ISNT EVEN PART OF THIS COUNTRY ANYMORE!

I hate it here, Its very stressfull & only 2 percent of its population has respect for them selves as well as others. It has turned into a dump LITERALLY!
Theres no place I've been no matter how far I hike in any direction that doesnt have trash spread out all over.
listen to this!
I went to bass pro the day before yesterday & was fortunate enough to watch them feed the fish in their 8,000 gallon tank but when they finished & hispanic family went to the candy machine, got candy & came back throwing it in the tank from the stairs! IDIOTS!!!
Its as hard to find a respectable person in california as it is to find a world class boone & crocket mule deer.
I believe I'll run into sasquach before another decent person like me. LOL
Ya ever heard that saying,
tell me who you hang around & I'll tell you who you are?
Well there's so much bad here that its rubbing off on good folks. I know its everywhere we go but no worse than California
OK enough negetivity I dont like to think about it.

I'm OK with the deer hunting here.
I put my time in & I will be in the 5% who get a deer every year.

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Re: Deer herd conditions in your state
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2009, 12:21:04 PM »
We have had alot of Californians move to Arizona, we always have room for one more! 8)
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Re: Deer herd conditions in your state
« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2009, 01:05:22 PM »
I'm more of a mountain kinda guy. I dont like the heat.
you can only take off so much clothes before your naked & still hot as heck. ; ) 85-120 dagrees... no thanks!
I guess theres only so much you can put on to keep warm before you cant move either.

I like to look at both sides of the situation if at all possible.

Theres more to hunt in the mountains as far as animals & turain. I like lots of options.