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Offline HuntAway

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45-70 First Loads
« on: November 28, 2009, 09:58:43 AM »
Since I got my 1895CB 45-70., I just knew I was going to have to learn how to handload for it. I have gathered most everything I need  and well I just couldn't wait for the IMR 3031 or the Factory Crimper. So I rolled up some using 54 grains of H-Varget and some 350 gr Speer HCFN ( they're designed for the 458 Win Mag) and Win LR Primers with once fired Rem brass. I didn't crimp these so I hand fed them one at a time rather than loading up the magazine.

The targets.
All at 50 yds.
All shot with the same load.
Sights are factory front sight and Williams 5D Peep.

The first target was just to see if I was on the paper. Wasn't worried about grouping.



Second target I beared down on.



Third target I shot after adjusting the sights a little.




First thoughts. Not bad grouping. I'd like to claim I was trying to make a happy face on the second target but that would be untrue.  ;)
Recoil was stiff and I had to roll up a hunting vest for a sissy pad.  It only took two shots to convince me that one was required!!! :o  I'd rather be comfortable than bruised.  I didn't chronograph these shots but you could definately tell the difference between them and a few Remington 405's that I let fly afterwards. Note to file..... Heavy loads NOT required unless I'm hunting moose with this rifle.
LuLu is a bit of a handfull when the loads are stiffened up. I will keep her and my shoulder happy with softer stuff.  ;D

All for now. Off to a controlled hunt tomorrow. To bad I can't bring LuLu. I will however be shooting a .458 bullet out of my Omega. Two shots at 100 both dead on with 110 gr T7, so it is ready to go and the 1187 20 ga is bang on at 50 with the Winchester Partition Golds. Hopefully the deer co-operate.  

Someone mentioned that it was only the beginning. Now I know what they ment. ;) ;D ;D ;D

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Re: 45-70 First Loads
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2009, 11:49:06 AM »
I want a Marlin .45-70 lever gun bad. Maybe after Christmas.
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Re: 45-70 First Loads
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2009, 12:29:45 PM »
HuntAway, if that combination works that good in your gun I dont think you need any other powder. Good job. ;D Especially with open sights. Wish my eyes were that good.
Quote from: lakota on November 28, 2009, 11:49:06 AM
I want a Marlin .45-70 lever gun bad. Maybe after Christmas.
Aint nuttin like it. You'll be glad you did.
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Re: 45-70 First Loads
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2009, 05:58:50 AM »
Nice groups. Well finally for me afterll these years I too got my Marlin 1895 45-70. It`s an older model with smooth wood. But still in GREAT conditon. I`d like to to give boolit casting my own a try.
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Re: 45-70 First Loads
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2009, 12:28:30 PM »
Pain is the first thing you notice when shooting a Marlin 95 with hot loads.  I will say that I never notice the recoil when I am shooting at an animal but I always use a past magnum recoil shield when sighting such loads in.  I can only get about 20 clean shots off anyway due to whiplash and a headache I get after that number of shots.  If you want an accurate cast bullet load that will not brutalize you and still kill deer and elk at short range try a 405 gr slug pushed by 42 gr of 3031.  This load has been outstanding in several 45-70 rifles.  If you just want to target shoot try the same bullet with 27 gr of AA 5744.
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Re: 45-70 First Loads
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2009, 02:37:49 PM »
First thought I have is that you need to crimp those bullets.

I like those bullets, by the way and shoot a fair number of them.
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Re: 45-70 First Loads
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2009, 03:43:02 PM »
Varget and the 405 grain Remington or the 400 grain Speer can't be beat.  I don't like the light bullets.
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Re: 45-70 First Loads
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2009, 05:12:13 PM »
swampman;

can 't beat that seems to be a great load for you.

i have a 1895 several hundred loads of 350 Hornady loaded right at max great shooter but a real bonified kicker...lol

i have taken bear elk and mule deer and it does the job. when i get the rest shot up i amd gonna go with the hornady rubber tips and dial it in. then load up a whole bunch. the 405 load is a definate killer on large game at resonable ranges.
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Re: 45-70 First Loads
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2009, 11:41:41 PM »
I have and will continue to avoid the Hornady bullets & ammo.
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Re: 45-70 First Loads
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2009, 02:24:38 AM »
My intentions with cast boolits will be for deer, elk and the mighty moose. Whats the best brass to use?
Heck I might even go the black powder route.
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Re: 45-70 First Loads
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2009, 02:39:10 AM »
Remington or Starline.
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Re: 45-70 First Loads
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2009, 10:01:28 AM »
I was just trying some of what I had on hand at the time. I intend to crimp but my Lee Factory Crimper hasn't arrived yet. The 405's and brass are in my truck now so I'll be be trying them out as well. I only have a 1000 405's to play with. ;D

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Re: 45-70 First Loads
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2009, 12:34:20 PM »
Quote from: HuntAway on December 04, 2009, 10:01:28 AM
I only have a 1000 405's to play with. ;D
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It should be just about broken-in by then.
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Re: 45-70 First Loads
« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2009, 05:03:55 PM »
Quote from: swordfish on December 04, 2009, 12:34:20 PM
Quote from: HuntAway on December 04, 2009, 10:01:28 AM
I only have a 1000 405's to play with. ;D
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It should be just about broken-in by then.

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