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Remember Pearl Harbor
« on: December 06, 2009, 11:48:23 PM »
Dec.7, 1941
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Re: Remember Pearl Harbor
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2009, 01:28:52 AM »
thank you for the post. hopefully all americans will pause and remember.
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Re: Remember Pearl Harbor
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2009, 01:42:10 AM »
Many thanks to the veterans of WWII.  They kept this country free.   
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Re: Remember Pearl Harbor
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2009, 01:45:25 AM »
thats right people seem to want to forget the price paid by so many to keep this nation free.
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Re: Remember Pearl Harbor
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2009, 01:48:02 AM »
I remember Dusko Popov the great double agent whose intelligence gathering prior to and during world war two made him a legend in the intelligence field, and a hero to the Allies. He was given a "shopping list" of US military installations to learn about by his German controllers and was sent to the US to do the work. His American controllers saw the wealth of information he was bringing in and sent him to J. Edgar Hoover. Hoover never doubted Popov's credentials as a master spy, but he didn't like Popov personally because he was a bit of a dandy. So when Popov handed Hoover a list of installations that included Pearl Harbor, he just set the list aside and never looked at it. There was no curiosity about why a German agent would be interested in Pearl Harbor. The list was forwarded to the group that follows up on this kind of information and they never questioned the Pearl Harbor link either. The rest is history.
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Re: Remember Pearl Harbor
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2009, 03:36:07 AM »
We pray daily for all of our military. They stand between us and all of the evil in this world. POWDERMAN.  :( :(
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Re: Remember Pearl Harbor
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2009, 04:02:58 AM »
Quote from: Swampman on December 06, 2009, 11:48:23 PM
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don't you drive a toyota?   :o
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Re: Remember Pearl Harbor
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2009, 04:13:40 AM »
I humbly thank all our men and women, who sacrificed the ultimate. Please don't get started on the foreign car stuff. It embitters one against, not just former war adversaries, but eventually extends to everything and everybody one encounters in their day to day. Integrity is a good thing, but tempered with mercy. And using that analogy, we would not be driving anything. Think about all the technology we use everyday, and where that comes from.
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Re: Remember Pearl Harbor
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2009, 06:02:34 AM »
Quote from: john keyes on December 07, 2009, 04:02:58 AM
Quote from: Swampman on December 06, 2009, 11:48:23 PM
Dec.7, 1941

don't you drive a toyota?   :o

Made mostly by people who had nothing to do with Pearl Harbor.  Any country fortunate enough to survive more than a few centuries will come to a point when they've been to war with just about everyone at one point or another.

Remember the event and those who participated in it - don't ascribe any significance to their descendants though.  To do so just results in us getting stuck in a cycle of perpetually hating each other.
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Re: Remember Pearl Harbor
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2009, 09:39:47 AM »
Hell the people of this country don't rember 9-11 and that was a lot more resent than Pearl.
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Re: Remember Pearl Harbor
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2009, 09:51:50 AM »
All I'm saying' is remember the Americans that died at Pearl.
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Re: Remember Pearl Harbor
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2009, 10:42:46 AM »
They should be remembered every day in the way we live , vote , buy and behave . Anything else is less than what they paid for .
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Re: Remember Pearl Harbor
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2009, 10:51:33 AM »
The lovely liberals who rewrite history now say it was our fault because we refused to give them a free hand to run over asia. Immagine that we did'nt want them to be able to take all the resources of asia to fuel their war machine with.
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Re: Remember Pearl Harbor
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2009, 10:58:38 AM »
Quote from: torpedoman on December 07, 2009, 10:51:33 AM
The lovely liberals who rewrite history now say it was our fault because we refused to give them a free hand to run over asia. Immagine that we did'nt want them to be able to take all the resources of asia to fuel their war machine with.

I minored in History (graduated in 2003) and have never heard the issue presented that way.  There have been some debates as to whether or not we should have used the nuclear bombs or not (or whether or not we should have only dropped only 1, or first dropped one on an unpopulated area), but I've not heard anyone from either side state that we shouldn't have been at war with them.
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« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2009, 11:45:00 AM »
Had the opportunity to take a tour out of the Admiral's boathouse at Pearl last Wednesday. RADM Burt, our Chief of Chaplains, was visiting so a few of us were invited along with our wives to accompany him in one of the PACOM Admiral's gigs to tour all around Ford Island, visit Arizona, Nevada, Utah, and a few other sites, and watch the movie they show at the Arizona Memorial. Gave me a much fuller appreciation for what happened that day. If you're a veteran and you're planning a trip to Oahu in the future, give MWR a call and ask about it.
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Re: Remember Pearl Harbor
« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2009, 05:46:00 PM »
I went to Pearl back when I was a kid in the early 70's. I went back last year for another tour and even went on the Missouri that's now moored there. From the USS Arizona memorial (beginning of the war) to the Missouri that represents the end of the Pacific conflict. A very interesting place. 

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Re: Remember Pearl Harbor
« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2009, 06:49:11 PM »
Thought about my dad today. He joined the Marines in Jan.-'42, 3 weeks after Pearl. Just enough time for him to get his job straightened out, and say good by to his parents. Can only imagine what he went thru in the 3 1/2 years. Good friend of mine, his dad was at Pearl. Never wanted to talk about it. gypsyman
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Re: Remember Pearl Harbor
« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2009, 01:33:14 AM »
If you want an excellent history that explains how Japan got to the point where it would attack Pearl Harbor, I strongly recommend reading The Rape of Nanking, by Iris Chang. This book has practically nothing to do with Pearl Harbor, but it has everything to do with the Japanese military culture for the thousand years leading up to that attack.
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