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Offline fortress49

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« on: October 23, 2003, 11:31:43 AM »
Hey everyone!  Thanks for all the info in the many varied posts!


I have a question concerning recoil.  I am interested in hog hunting in Tx and have been thinking about the idea of an 1885 highwall in 45-70.  I think the look of the rifle is awesome and the nostalgic cartridge is cool too.  However, I have never shot a 45-70.  If I get a rifle I would like to be able to shoot it and shoot it well , and shoot it fairly often.  If the recoil is to stout, it keeps one from doing this.  I don't think I am recoil sensitive, I don't have much experience with large bore rifle cartridges so I am not positive.  

I have shot 12 ga slugs (1 1/8 oz) out of a remington 870 with a 18.5 in barrel.  That gave a good jolt but it was managable for me.  It gave me a good pounding but I was able to function with no bruising and it didn't keep me from wanting to shoot more.  I also did not flinch as I was able to group the slugs in about 3" at 50 yards (rifled slugs in smoothbore with VERY stiff trigger).  

So, the question is, how does a 45-70 compare to the 12 ga?  From "light" 45-70 to the "hot" loads?

Also, how does the recoil compare between an encore rifle and the 1885 rifle since the Encore is a few pounds lighter?  

Anyone with experience and insight would be greatly appreciated.  Would love to get 45-70 but only if I feel I will use it.

Thanks,

Matt
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« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2003, 11:46:06 AM »
I have a Sharps that weighs 10.25 pounds that used to be 45-70 and quite frankly it felt recoil wise pretty light.  But I have since reamed it out to 45-90 and the felt recoil is a bit more.

Alot depends on your load you use from a light load of say XMP-5744 or a much hotter load.  I have never supercharged a 45-70 load, the round just doesn't need to be and was never ment to be.  But there are those that would dis-agree who like shooting Buffalo Bore or Garrets.  But if you reload you can shoot a hard cast bullet that is as good as both of them and load your own stout loads.

Find a powder that you can start at the low end and increase until your shoulder says stop  :shock:

You will enjoy the 45-70 cartridge... I know what your going thru on deciding should I or shouldn't I, but once I got to shooting the 45-70 I never looked back  :roll:
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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2003, 04:50:36 PM »
:-D Yep, you'll want this rifle!!!   :-D   Great caliber!  Anything from 300 grain to 550 grain bullets and MV's of 1200 to 2000,  anywhere from mild to wild in the recoil, depending on how you load it and the fit and weight of the gun.  My only suggestion would be a shotgun style buttplate much more comfortable to shoot heavy loads with.
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« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2003, 12:40:50 PM »
The 1885 browning in 45/70, with 500 grain cast bullets @ 1200fps is a real stopper on gophers.....good pentration...minimal expansion

Haven't had one get up and charge me after being hit...yet :)

Oh yeah, you can shoot this load all day long!!!
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« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2003, 05:23:41 PM »
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« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2003, 03:34:23 AM »
fortress49,

The 1885 Hi-Walls are great shooters in 45-70.  Depending on your loads, recoils on bad.  I've had a Browning 1885 in 45-70 since they were released back in 1985 and love it.  I shoot cast bullets in 300gr to 500gr in mine.  

I also shoot the 45-70 in an Encore (set-up as a handgun) and a Contender (also set-up as a handgun), personnally I would not want to shoot even light loads in either of those as rifles, not enough recoil absorbing weight to them.

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« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2003, 04:41:37 AM »
There is also some great information on calculated recoil over at www.chuckhawks.com

He uses some averages but a good rule of thumb, according to chuck, is this.  Above 20 pounds of recoil and the average human starts to get a bit sensitive to it.

A 30 06 with a 180 grain round puts out about 20 pounds of kick.  Your mileage may vary, of course, depending on actual weight of the rifle and actual load.  But this is a good place to begin from.

A 45 70 with a 500 grain bullet and enough powder to run the bullet out at around 1500 fps will give you around 29 pounds of recoil.  Again, this can vary depending on actual weight and powder charge.

So the lighter 300 grain rounds can actually be counted as having reasonable recoil.  On the other hand, using a 500 grain bullet and a hot round it would be fairly easy to get well over 30 pounds of recoil!  Not for a recoil sensitive person!
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