Author Topic: Exposed hammer or not (Read 2359 times)

Mikey · « **Reply #30 on:** December 15, 2009, 01:28:22 AM »

Squib: not all women have really tiny hands, even those who don't stand as tall as some, but don't let that fool ya as you should know by now how tight a grip those tiny little hands can impart. As for proper sized grips and ease of handling - if someone is going to spend $3-500+ for a handgun, and preferably a revolver, a additonal $50 for a set of properly fitting grips that make that revolver fit the Lady the way it should is just a smart investment. jatcw (just another two cents worth)

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #31 on:** December 15, 2009, 02:01:59 AM »

never seen a use for a hammer on a snubby. Just in the way in my opinion. I cant imagine anyone training to waste the time to shoot one single action anyway.

williamlayton · « **Reply #32 on:** December 15, 2009, 04:20:43 AM »

Hey Mikey
Not trying too jump the gun--but--my LIBERAL daughter seems to be thinking---really scares me. She came by this AM to drop off our grandaughter and she pulled out a ad for the JUDGE. It was given too her by a police officer at the PEN, er, school she is a counselor at. It is what he got his wife.
Evidently she is thinking more about my suggestions than I realized.
I am taking this slowly.
I am going to offer to pay for her to take an all female shooting course offered at the range I belong too.
Think this is good.
I believe she is strong enough to handle one of my .38 supers if she decides too do this.
What do you think? Well, I am open to all thoughts.
Blessings
Bill

Basicguy · « **Reply #33 on:** December 15, 2009, 04:26:34 AM »

I usually carry a ruger lcp, one in the pipe. No safety, just a long fairly heavy trigger. It is a single action in that the gun won't hit the primer a second time if there is a mis fire. It is incredibly small and light. Fits into a front pocket. Shoots pie plate at 40 feet off hand. I also have a single action naa mini in 22 mag. Not that easy to shoot well but is accurate on slow fire. Most importantly I don't go where I am not wanted.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #34 on:** December 15, 2009, 04:27:33 AM »

get her some good grips for the J frame

Brett · « **Reply #35 on:** December 15, 2009, 04:33:21 AM »

Quote from: williamlayton on December 15, 2009, 04:20:43 AM

Hey Mikey
Not trying too jump the gun--but--my LIBERAL daughter seems to be thinking---really scares me. She came by this AM to drop off our grandaughter and she pulled out a ad for the JUDGE. It was given too her by a police officer at the PEN, er, school she is a counselor at. It is what he got his wife.
Evidently she is thinking more about my suggestions than I realized.
I am taking this slowly.
I am going to offer to pay for her to take an all female shooting course offered at the range I belong too.
Think this is good.
I believe she is strong enough to handle one of my .38 supers if she decides too do this.
What do you think? Well, I am open to all thoughts.
Blessings
Bill

You know what they say... A Liberal is just a Conservative/Constitutionalists who has not been mugged or assaulted yet. Hopefully she can be turned around without such an event taking place.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #36 on:** December 15, 2009, 04:35:16 AM »

Most of them just haven't made enough money to lose it to taxes !

Mikey · « **Reply #37 on:** December 16, 2009, 11:58:13 AM »

Lloyd: I like the availability of the hammer when I want to plink to long range or take a long aimed shot. Most of my practice is straight double action and I prefer the da pull of a S&W J, K or N frame revolver over the dao pull of the dao revolvers. When I'm shootin' cans or balloons I can index the hammer to full cock with the da pull of my S&Ws before I release the trigger - it is how I learned to shoot da/sa S&Ws and why I prefer them. Long trigger pulls drive me nutz waitin' for it to go off. That's why I like snubbies with hammers.....jmtcw.

Noreaster · « **Reply #38 on:** December 16, 2009, 01:49:29 PM »

Going through a similar situation with my wife, except she doesn't have anywhere near the experience with firearms as yours. Outstanding on your part. Reading some of the post I like the idea of an XD because of the grip safety, (purse carry w/o a holster.) I also like the idea of stopping at a gun shop and having her try out many different guns. You'd be suprised what she may like. For my wife I was thinking about a SS revolver, maybe the older wooden S&W grips (smaller than most of the current pach or hogue grips.) SS so the creep would now what he's getting into and maybe turn tail, also a maintenance issue. I did find that woman have more trouble with lighter guns, (airweight and below,) because of the trigger pull and moving the gun off target, something to do with hand/wrist strength I believe. Good luck and let us know what she gets.

Brett · « **Reply #39 on:** December 17, 2009, 03:27:56 AM »

Quote from: Mikey on December 16, 2009, 11:58:13 AM

Lloyd: I like the availability of the hammer when I want to plink to long range or take a long aimed shot. Most of my practice is straight double action and I prefer the da pull of a S&W J, K or N frame revolver over the dao pull of the dao revolvers. When I'm shootin' cans or balloons I can index the hammer to full cock with the da pull of my S&Ws before I release the trigger - it is how I learned to shoot da/sa S&Ws and why I prefer them. Long trigger pulls drive me nutz waitin' for it to go off. That's why I like snubbies with hammers.....jmtcw.

This is why I like snubbies with bobbed hammers. Most of the benefits that Mikey stated plus snag free draw from pocket or purse.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #40 on:** December 17, 2009, 06:44:08 AM »

Mod. 38 S&W would be a good choice then.

Brett · « **Reply #41 on:** December 17, 2009, 08:56:18 AM »

I'm partial to the Model 642. I just don't like the hump back look of the 638.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #42 on:** December 17, 2009, 09:07:04 AM »

Its not pretty it useful

Squib · « **Reply #43 on:** December 17, 2009, 07:19:45 PM »

some of the concealed/shrouded hammers are quite hard to "cock". be aware of that- mine is like trying to strike a match with my thumb. I can do it now for two cylinders and that's it, though I couldn't do it AT ALL when I first got it (you learn after 1,000+ rds).

as for recoil, don't discount wadcutters for self-defense. they don't have much penetration but 140-160grs with .358 diameter meplat will do some damage to a head/face..... with no recoil if loaded down as a target load. accuracy means actually using the stopping power, as opposed to the +p's that kick and throw off the point of impact so bad.

williamlayton · « **Reply #44 on:** December 18, 2009, 03:06:45 AM »

My LW snubby has no exposed hammer---can't cock it---it is under the matress but I prefer exposed hammers.
Blessings

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #45 on:** December 22, 2009, 03:47:53 AM »

A hammer is nice for aimed shots at snakes or to finish a deer or to shoot a varmit etc . In self defense it slows ya down .

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #46 on:** December 23, 2009, 01:14:35 AM »

I used to think the same way but have found with practice i can shoot a da gun just as well da as sa. I think all the ppc shooting payed off in that respect. Another thing to keep in mind is were talking civilain ccw guns here and if a guy is so far away that you need to cock your gun to get an accurate hit on him youd best not be shooting him or your going to end up in jail!

Quote from: Mikey on December 16, 2009, 11:58:13 AM

Lloyd: I like the availability of the hammer when I want to plink to long range or take a long aimed shot. Most of my practice is straight double action and I prefer the da pull of a S&W J, K or N frame revolver over the dao pull of the dao revolvers. When I'm shootin' cans or balloons I can index the hammer to full cock with the da pull of my S&Ws before I release the trigger - it is how I learned to shoot da/sa S&Ws and why I prefer them. Long trigger pulls drive me nutz waitin' for it to go off. That's why I like snubbies with hammers.....jmtcw.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #47 on:** December 23, 2009, 02:09:08 AM »

I shoot DA also and carry a 340PD but also like the advantage of having both for the above mentioned reasons . As i mentioned it is best to go DA in a defense situation .

Squib · « **Reply #48 on:** December 23, 2009, 05:57:28 PM »

cocking a hammer and taking a good stance shouldn't be a necessity but shouldn't be ignored either. if you've got time to use the sights you can cock the hammer on the draw- assuming you actually practice.

if you're limiting your training and psychological preparedness to point shooting only then go ahead and file off your front sight too, then you have have that DAO blind-fire belly gun you want

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #49 on:** December 24, 2009, 02:02:07 AM »

as a matter of fact many self defense classes teach you to ignore your sites and point shoot. theroy is that its one less thing your mind has to deal with in a stress situation and like i said earlier youd better bet up close and personal when you shoot someone in self defense to justify that you actually had to shoot. Were civilians not police. We dont run around buildings shooting and shoot people 25 yards away. We shoot people that are attaching us or others. the first thing i teach and most teach in a ccw class is if its at all possible your first instinct should be to run. Bottom line is if your so far away from an assalant that you need to take a careful sight picture and squeese off a single action shot your going to go to jail for doing it. Another fact is that 99 percent of the people ive shot with wouldnt have a chance in hell of hitting someone at those distances with a typical ccw gun under the stress of an attack anyway. you can dream and fantisize about all kinds of senareos that may come up but if you had to carry a gun for all of them youd need a rifle a shotgun and a couple differnt handguns. to me a ccw gun is a last ditch piece for up close and personal attacks its not a house gun or a truck gun and its certanly not a target gun and shouldnt be shot that way. I just hope that if i ever come up against someone who is going to shoot me that he takes the time to take a stance and cock his gun and aim it. Cause by then ill have at least 3 rounds in his chest.

Brett · « **Reply #50 on:** December 24, 2009, 04:06:38 AM »

My CCW instructor related a story to our class about a shootout between an undercover detective and a wanted felon that took place in the confines of an elevator.

As he tells it, a plain cloths detective was riding alone on an elevator in a hi-rise when it stops to take on another passenger. This guy steps onto the elevator, the door closes and the elevator starts moving. Then the detective recognizes the guy as a wanted felon that he had arrested previously, the felon also recognizes detective at the same instant. Both men draw hand guns and commence shooting. I forgot how many shots the teacher said were fired but it was pretty clear that at least one of them either had to reload or pull a back up weapon due to the number of shots fired. When the smoke cleared neither of them suffered any serious wounds. Just goes to show what extreme stress can do to you shooting abilities.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #51 on:** December 24, 2009, 09:53:36 AM »

i could see that happneing. Good post! it shows that most people would do much better using there practice time to practicing drawing there gun and point blank shooting it. Like my daddy allways said first punch usualy ends the fight. You can have the highest dollar ccw gun on the market and it does not a bit of good if you cant draw and shoot faster then the guy that wants you dead. Vary your shooting possitions and i dont mean any standard pistol shooting positions i mean positions you may be forced to draw and shoot in. Best practice in the world and its free! Even in ccw classes at least here in MI the longest you shoot is 7 yards and about any person with at least mediocure hand and eye coordination can point shoot at those distances and with a little practice you can easily be on a police silouette target at 2o yards. Thing is aiming isnt automatic reflex it takes some thought to line sights up on a target. Point shooting is like instinct shooting with a bow. With some practice it becomes automatic and even in stressfull situation your brain will take over instinctivly. Im not saying that point shooting is the only type of practice a guy should do. But it should definately be a big part of it.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #52 on:** December 28, 2009, 05:38:18 AM »

nothing distracts you aim like being shot at .