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Offline Bingo

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Father/Son Project
« on: December 14, 2009, 04:44:54 PM »
  I have a friend that wants to get a deer rifle for his kid. He is very good with his hands and wood. They have seen my Rem. 600 with a Richards Microfit stock and My Arisaka in 260Rem. with the Mannlicher stock and it got them to thinking. They are thinking of building a gun from scratch.
   I like the Arisaka actions. They are strong and you can buy them cheep. Everyone has Mauser's and the Jap is just something different.
   Whatever they build will be re-barreled and will probable get a Timney trigger. Are there any other actions out there that you would recommend at a reasonable price that would make a nice project gun.

    Also, I'm suggesting they build in 6.5mm. Short action 260 or 6.5x257 Roberts, Long action 6.5x284 or 6.5x55 Any other suggestions?

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Re: Father/Son Project
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2009, 05:12:55 PM »
Bingo, Well you could check out allan's armory and look at the swedish mausers with the 98 FN actions which are usually in 8mm mauser, or 9./3x57 or see if you could get a couple 96 swedes in 6.5x55. No flies on the swedish mausers or anyone of the above cartridges. or look for a cut down swede or two and fix them up with mannlicher stocks, butterknife bolt handles and a decent scope.  I have no experience with the arisaka actions. Frank

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Re: Father/Son Project
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2009, 06:43:53 AM »
Bingo,......I declare that such a project will never be forgotten and bring a life time of joy for both parties envolved.....Amen! I also did a project some time back and put together what is my 6.5/06 rifle. This rifle is a dual purpose predator/deer gun for around the house. It did take the place of my featherweight 25/06 I used to carry. The 1/4 bore went to my son in Tenn.! Those Father & Son projects are the very best kind in my eyes. 8)

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Re: Father/Son Project
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2009, 07:48:40 AM »
A Swedish or Chilean Mauser in 7X57 or .257 Bob would be nice.
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Re: Father/Son Project
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2009, 10:49:34 AM »
  I've spent hours on the computer looking for actions and didn't find anything >:(

  Where the heck can I find an inexpencive action for a this project. Short or long action mauser or Good Jap.

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Re: Father/Son Project
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2009, 11:27:54 AM »
Did you look on gunbroker.
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Re: Father/Son Project
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2009, 01:04:17 PM »


  OK, sorry, but I'm gonna be the Grinch here.  You can't build a rifle if you have little or no money.  The days of getting great military actions for $25.00, and take-off barrels for $25.00, are long long gone.

   I would predict that it's going to cost at least $100 to get a good action, and even that is going to take alot of looking.  I imagine that you could spend lots of time at gunshows and find a beat up 98 mauser action for $50 or so, but then you are going to have to take it to a good gunsmith and spend the money to have him totally check it out, including magnafluxing it.  That's going to cost money.

   You said your friend is a mechanic, but not a machinist, and it sounds as if he has little or no experience in installing and headspacing barrels.  I just don't think he is going to be able to do this by himself (except on a commercial Savage action), so you are talking about spending a fair chunk of money just to get a barrel fitted to the action by a gunsmith.  There will be very little that his son can take part in.

  My advice would be, that for a great first father/son project, you friend would be better off buying an old military mauser in a popular caliber (7mm Mauser) or a good named brand commercial bolt action, that are cosmetically beat up but mechanically sound, and have fun RESTORING or SPORTERIZING it.  Yes, they will have to pay $100 to $200 for the rifle, but after that, they can go slowly and do things that a beginner (and his son) can do well together.

     Strip, sand, fill and refinish the stock.  Replace the trigger with a Timney.  Replace the safety.  Clean up the barrel with solvent, paste, and maybe bore lapping, and see how she shoots.  Replace the iron sights.  Drill/tap if necessary for scope mounts. Jewel the bolt on a drill press.   Maybe try a home blue, or a bake on finish.

    And, after doing all of this, if the barrel is just too shot out, then buy a surplus military barrel, or an old take off barrel, and have the gunsmith install it. Then glass bed the action.

   Your friend's son will have a great time, and will learn how to do alot of things, if he is taken through this process.  And each step can be done slowly, with a relatively small amount of money.

   This task needs to be approached from the viewpoint of entertaining and educating the son, not building a custom rifle for the father.
 
  Been there and done it.

  P.S.- If you can find a beat-up full-size 96 Swede Mauser, that would be a great place to start.  The barrel can be shortened.  The military stock can be shortened and reshaped by hand.  You can buy triggers, and peep sights, replacement safeties, cock-on-close kits, and lots of accessories.  I think Midway even sells new barrels in two other calibers that will go on the Swede.  Can't remember which.  Maybe the .250 Savage and the 7 Mauser? 

Best of luck, Mannyrock
 

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Re: Father/Son Project
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2009, 01:44:46 PM »
  You are right Mannyrock, It will take money to make a nice gun we know that. The difference is a little here a little there and a lot of work on a stock from a place like Richards Micro fit. I have a 600 Rem and a type 38 Jap. that look and shoot great. This is what they want. The fact that they will be working on it together make the gun worth a million.

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Re: Father/Son Project
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2009, 01:47:40 PM »
i did mine over a 2 year period. started with a 98 mauser and ended with a stainless-barreled 6.5x55 swede.

took a lot of hours, parts, and trial and error. and about $900.

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Re: Father/Son Project
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2009, 03:27:40 PM »
Don't know how you feel about turkish actions. 98 action, small ring threads. Can clean up just like a standard 98 but you can turn the threads down on a remington 700 barrel and rethread to fit the small ring threads on the turk.

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Re: Father/Son Project
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2009, 12:09:22 AM »
I wouldn't go with a large Mauser actions for one of the small bore catridges myself.
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Re: Father/Son Project
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2009, 05:49:06 AM »
Well said mannyrock.. I've been there too and it's a great place. The caliber choices for the small ring style actions are a little strange. They include the 300 Savage and 7x57. Both commonly loaded to higher pressure levels.. The 300 is nearly the same as the 308 Win as far as pressures..and performance. In any case the small thread diameter Turkish actions will easily handle these and any higher prssure rounds. I would feel a little pressed to rebarrel one to a larger cased round though as the amount of barrel shank remaining is getting pretty small..
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Re: Father/Son Project
« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2009, 11:32:56 AM »
  Right now the kid is leaning towards 6.5 Swed. of 260 rem. If I'm not mistaken the Swed would need a long action and the 260 Rem would work in the short.
   Someone mentioned the Turk. Maybe I'm a little prejudice BUT.........
   I think I need an education. I need to know more about the different Mausers out there. I only know the FN, Spanish, Sweedesh, and the Argentine. Someone said the M48 would be a good start

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Re: Father/Son Project
« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2009, 01:30:21 PM »
If you want more info on mausers get the DeHaas book. Forgot the name but I think its Bolt action rifles.