Author Topic: Glocks in the news! (Read 1762 times)

Oldshooter · « **on:** November 29, 2009, 05:15:50 PM »

"The bureau is switching to 9mm Glocks after two .45-caliber models exploded in the hands of two Portland officers"

"After two .45-caliber Glock Model 21 firearms exploded in the hands of two Portland police officers during training this month, Police Chief Derrick Foxworth this week ordered a recall of the weapons carried by 230 Portland officers. "We don't want a reoccurrence of this happening again," Foxworth said. "It's the prudent thing to do." "

http://www.policeone.com/news/81618

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #1 on:** November 30, 2009, 04:06:10 AM »

Sounds like faulty batch of ammo.

Dee · « **Reply #2 on:** November 30, 2009, 04:18:59 AM »

Sure does. A lot of the larger depts reload their own ammo on site, using progressive presses. This has been going on for years. I can think of a couple right off the top of my head that reload, or at least did reload their own.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #3 on:** November 30, 2009, 07:15:25 AM »

yep , saw a 10 mm explode - double powder charge , found several others in same batch . Slide came off frame , 1 or2 rounds in mag went off and mag came out and apart . Put gun back togather , used a new mag. and gun worked fine .

Savage · « **Reply #4 on:** November 30, 2009, 11:53:15 AM »

Old article. Dated Mar 2004. Wonder if the old "Firing out of battery" beast reared it's ugly head. The Glock 21 seemed to be the primary offender. Although FOOB is an inherent Glock design problem, I'm not sure Glock ever addressed it. Seems it only happened with out of spec ammo. Or an extremely fouled chamber.
Savage

Skunk · « **Reply #5 on:** November 30, 2009, 12:09:07 PM »

Is there any truth to the rumor that the 40 S&W Glocks have a tendency to explode? I know it sounds stupid, but I've heard this from many folks.

Dee · « **Reply #6 on:** November 30, 2009, 01:31:51 PM »

Quote from: Skunk on November 30, 2009, 12:09:07 PM

Is there any truth to the rumor that the 40 S&W Glocks have a tendency to explode? I know it sounds stupid, but I've heard this from many folks.

I don't think I've heard that one Skunk. I have owned three, Glock 23s and fired thousands of rounds thru all three, and they were still shooting when I sold'em.

Skunk · « **Reply #7 on:** November 30, 2009, 01:40:04 PM »

Thanks Dee. Yeah, I thought that sounded sort of fishy.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #8 on:** December 01, 2009, 02:05:08 AM »

I have heard that the 10 mm left part of the case unsupported and depended on case strength to contain the pressure . When reloaded ammo was used the case may be weaker in the unsupported area and a failure of the case could take place . The 10 mm is also one of the longest cases that feed thru. a Glock action and failure to go into battery could also cause the case rupture as the case would not be completly supported .
The one gun i saw come apart - you could see the unsupported area of the case was the part that let go. And reloads were being used .

Oldshooter · « **Reply #9 on:** December 01, 2009, 05:07:01 AM »

I was thinking reloads when i first read it but the Dept was insisting there were other design problems that were the culprit. I'm thinking cya!!!!

Savage · « **Reply #10 on:** December 01, 2009, 08:45:19 AM »

At least publicly, Glock has never addressed the FOOB problem to my knowledge. No surprise there as that seems to be their policy. The latest problem seems to be the trigger bar on some of the SF models causing a failure to return to battery problem. They have frequent "Upgrades" by I've never heard of a recall. IMO, the Glock is about as good as it gets in a fighting handgun. When some of the newer pistols have been in service for 25+ yrs and in same numbers as the Glocks, we'll see how they compare. I'm keeping my Glocks.
Savage

Oldshooter · « **Reply #11 on:** December 01, 2009, 08:50:29 AM »

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I'm keeping my Glocks.

Make no mistake I posted that for information purposes. I have a 21 and I keep it close at all times and would not trade it for another make or claiber. But when you see an article like that you just have to read it to see whats up!

Savage · « **Reply #12 on:** December 01, 2009, 12:01:44 PM »

Quote from: Oldshooter on December 01, 2009, 08:50:29 AM

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I'm keeping my Glocks.

Make no mistake I posted that for information purposes. I have a 21 and I keep it close at all times and would not trade it for another make or claiber. But when you see an article like that you just have to read it to see whats up!

I never took the thread to be more than a good conversational topic. But just to be safe, shoot me a PM and I'll give you a FFL to ship the 21 to. I'll make sure it doesn't hurt anyone, unintentionally.

Savage

Tonk · « **Reply #13 on:** December 01, 2009, 06:54:00 PM »

Tonk · « **Reply #14 on:** December 01, 2009, 06:59:25 PM »

ShootALL.......I shoot and carry a Glock 10mm in model 29 and in the model 20 sometimes, depending on my destination etc. I have shot all kinds of ammo out of both these 10mm caliber Glocks and never have I had so much as an eyelash out of place from either of them.

I use 180 grn bullets in the model 20 (4.6 inch barrel) and 155 grn bullets in the model 29 (3.78 inch barrel) and all I know is that after a couple thousand rounds each down the barrel, everything is A-OK with my Glocks. Once again I shoot or carry factory ammo in both these pistols but do shoot my reloads too at the range.

Skunk · « **Reply #15 on:** December 01, 2009, 07:26:17 PM »

Quote from: Tonk on December 01, 2009, 06:54:00 PM

Skunk that is a new on this Old Man!!! We have a couple of .40cal Smith & Wessons at the house in the GLOCK pistol. They have both got over 5,000 rounds down the barrel and before that we had a couple of other GlOCKS in the 27 model and fired close to 3,000 rds in it without a hiccup.

Tonk,

Thanks for your insight. I looked into it a little more and found that the 40 S&W has often been named as one of Glocks that KaBoom along with the 10mm and the .45 ACP. From what I've read about it, the KaBooms appear to relate back to the unsupported case theory that Shootall mentioned earlier in this thread. On the other hand, I've also read just as many reports like yours and Dee's stating the number of rounds through your Glocks and having no problems. I found the info on the .40 S&W going KaBoom in Glocks by Googling "Glock 40 S&W blowing up"

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #16 on:** December 02, 2009, 12:59:45 AM »

Tonk , I also carry a Glock 20 often while hunting . Mostly I use 180 HP loaded by Georga Arms . To be honest after seeing the one come apart from an over loaded round . Then be put back togather and work impressed me enough that i got one . Tell me how you like the 29 .

Savage · « **Reply #17 on:** December 02, 2009, 02:17:26 AM »

I belong to two clubs. One a small one of about 100 members. It's basically an action pistol club. USPSA/IDPA/Steel Challenge type matches. A little 3 gun and carbine action stuff thrown in. I also belong to a larger club of about 800 members that is primarily a rifle club with a little Speed Steel and IDPA thrown in. Between the two, I attend 3-5 matches a month year round. I have done so since the mid 90s. I have long since lost track of the number of rounds I've put through my pistols, a lot of them thru a Glock 22, and 95% of those are 170gr LSWCs over enough Bullseye or Promo to make major. (Lone Wolf Barrels) I have no idea how many rounds I've seen go downrange in these years. Mostly .40 S&W and .38 Super/Super Comp at major PF. I've seen about as many rounds fired from .40 Glocks at police qualifications. In all this shooing, I've seen two destroyed. Both Glock 35s, one with a double charge, the other an obstructed bore. I've also seen half a dozen or so case head separations in 1911/2011 pistols with various degrees of damage to the pistol/shooter. (No serious injury)
All this makes me believe that pistols are normally as safe as the operator, and that any well maintained pistol fed good ammo is about as safe as a mechanical thing can be. I ain't scared !

Savage

Tonk · « **Reply #18 on:** December 03, 2009, 10:26:55 AM »

Savage,.......You sir no doubt have the experience and knowledge that other people need to read about concerning Glock pistols. Thanks for that post Savage!

Tonk · « **Reply #19 on:** December 03, 2009, 10:35:42 AM »

ShootAll......I do like my Glock model 29, which by the way does not have night sights. I shoot better with the standard sights during the daylight hours and if something might happen at night, I have my Glock model 21-SF with night sights to fall back on. Like wise with my model 20 Glock in 10mm, I change off once in awhile.

The model 29 Glock is not for target shooting or printing nice tight groups on paper, not that it will not shoot tight groups understand. It can cause my right hand some pain after 40 or 50 rounds, do to my arthritis in the joints. I have no problem shooting a full grip pistol in a Glock no matter what the caliber. I have shot my model 29 Glock at 20 yards and never failed to place all shots, shooting at a rate of 10 rds in 6 seconds, into the center of a 9 inch pie plate. Once in awhile the last 2 shots have a tendency to walk out just an inch or two but that is my hand and the grip causing the problem.

The model 29 Glock is far easier to conceal and that is it's shear purpose in being, along with providing ample fire power and knock down energy to the target. The sum of 650-lbs of energy out of a 3.78 barrel is plenty for most two legged critters these days.

JeffG · « **Reply #20 on:** December 03, 2009, 05:02:20 PM »

I have never seen a Glock explode.I have never been shown a Glock that has "exploded." I supervise 25 Glocks, in my police department, and we do all our own armorer work. They are all model 22,23, or 27's. All 40 caliber. We have trained with these same guns for thousands upon thousands of rounds, overthe last 9 years. We have not seen a pistol-attributable misfire or malfunction yet. We shoot factory ammo. Maybe we have just been lucky, I think that the pistols are just Glocks. My 2 cents.

Could someone explain to me the how and why of a Glock is fired out of battery? Thanks.

Savage · « **Reply #21 on:** December 04, 2009, 03:01:45 AM »

Hey Jeff, I'll take a run at it! It's easy for me to replicate the FOOB event with any of my 3rd Gen Glocks by holding the slide sightly back and pulling the trigger. As the striker falls, the slide moves forward slightly into full battery. If the chamber had been loaded, and the primer sensitive enough, the gun would have fired in the partially OOB position. As you know, if it were not for the recoil spring, the slide would move back OOB on it's own when the trigger is pulled.
The culprit in FOOB seems to be one or more of the following:
Badly fouled chamber, out of spec ammo, weak recoil spring.
I personally ran into this problem with my Glock 21. Best I could determine, the pistol was extremely fouled, and the stock recoil spring had in excess of 12k rds in service. My first clues were failures to fire due to light strikes. I was shooting a course at the time, and just did failure drills to get the gun back up and running. Later when I retrieved my cleared rounds, I noticed the light primer indentions were in the high 12:00 clock position. Fortunately, the strikes were too light to fire the primer, so the pistol did not fire out of battery. Had I been using Federal, with their more sensitive primers, rather than Winchester, the result could have been far worse.
With well maintained pistols and good ammo, I'm not overly concerned, and I continue to run my Glocks. I would only suggest to you, that should you start to get failures to fire from any of the Glocks in your charge, check them out immediately for the telltale 12:00 high light primer strikes. I'm sure that a search would give you a lot more and better information than I did, just wanted to relate my experiences. Stay safe!
Savage

Savage · « **Reply #22 on:** December 04, 2009, 03:12:54 AM »

Jeff,
Did a quick search myself. Looks like something very similar to my experiences.

http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/dimples.html

Savage

JeffG · « **Reply #23 on:** December 04, 2009, 09:08:17 AM »

Savage, thanks for the info.... I am glad it's rare.

Swampman · « **Reply #24 on:** December 04, 2009, 09:28:04 AM »

I love Glocks but I wouldn't shoot reloads in them.

Savage · « **Reply #25 on:** December 04, 2009, 09:44:08 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on December 04, 2009, 09:28:04 AM

I love Glocks but I wouldn't shoot reloads in them.

LOL, that's about all I shoot these days. Reloads that is! Like to change up platforms every now and then with an occasional CZ, 1911, or Hi Power. Like to keep my hand in with several different platforms.
Savage

Swampman · « **Reply #26 on:** December 04, 2009, 09:56:54 AM »

I prefer reloads but not in the Glock.

Savage · « **Reply #27 on:** December 04, 2009, 10:16:56 AM »

Good reloaded ammo runs in all guns, Glocks included. I'll burn about 200 of them through a Glock .40 S&W at major PF myself this Sunday, along with probably 30 other shooters. I expect it to be a nonevent, as usual. Still, if it makes you nervous, stick with the factory stuff. It's good for the economy.

Savage

Tonk · « **Reply #28 on:** December 05, 2009, 03:26:40 AM »

The way I heard it explained to me at the firing range a friend of mine owns and operates, who is a Glock armorer, is that the problem they had with the .40 cal was when they used 180 grain bullets only. Now don't ask me why but that I what I was told. I don't shoot 180 weight in my .40cal Glocks anyway. We use the 165 grn bullets. We also shoot our reloads now, thanks to getting a progressive press that loads 500 or 600 rounds per hour with no sweat.