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Re: Three Mexican War Siege Howitzers identified in Florida
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2009, 06:04:30 AM »
Nice, so these guns have been sitting here as unknown until you identified them?

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Re: Three Mexican War Siege Howitzers identified in Florida
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2009, 06:11:22 AM »
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unknown until you identified them?

Yes I identified them as Mexican War-service pieces based on what I found in the National Archives.  Before that, as far as I can tell, nothing was known about their service history.

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Re: Three Mexican War Siege Howitzers identified in Florida
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2009, 06:42:18 AM »
Those are nice, thanks for posting them...they look like Mt. Howitzers on steroids...BoomLover
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Re: Three Mexican War Siege Howitzers identified in Florida
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2009, 07:00:47 AM »
You're on your toes, Cannonmn; good work!
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Re: Three Mexican War Siege Howitzers identified in Florida
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2009, 07:36:23 AM »
So now do you notify the National Park Service so the guns can be documented?

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Re: Three Mexican War Siege Howitzers identified in Florida
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2009, 11:53:17 AM »
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So now do you notify the National Park Service so the guns can be documented?

I did, I sent the info to Jeff Edel, a member of our SARA group who is also a ranger at Castillo.

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Re: Three Mexican War Siege Howitzers identified in Florida
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2009, 12:41:02 PM »
For those whom this discussion makes no sense.  Here is what Cannonmn posted over on the other board. This will now make sense:

 
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[Mexican War] Three Mexican War Veterans, Neighbors in Florida 

Posted By: John Morris <Send E-Mail> (70.108.150.150)
Date: Saturday, 26 December 2009 1142 hrs. EDT

These three eight-inch siege howitzers were part of the U.S. Siege Train in Mexico during the Mexican War. In 1935, they were transferred from the U.S. War Department to the National Park Service, Castillo de San Marcos, St. Augustine, FL., as part of “Accession No. 72.” *

How do we know these particular siege howitzers had been in the US Siege Train in Mexico in 1847? Mexican War documents from Record Group 156 (Records of the Chief of Ordnance, U.S. Army) include a list dated February 17, 1847, which I found last week. The list includes “10 - 8-inch Siege Howitzers, No. from 5 to 14 inclusive, of 1846 (total weight) 26,088 lbs.” The document says these were turned over by Capt. W.A. Thornton, commanding New York Ordnance Depot, to “Capt. D. H. Vinton, Ass’t. Qr.Master, U.S. Army, for transportation to Capt. B. Huger Comd’g, Comd’g Siege Train in Mexico.”

As you can see from the photos in the slideshow linked below, the howitzers bear registry numbers 5, 13, and 14, and are all dated 1846. This information matches that given in the RG156 list, for the Siege Train pieces destined for Mexico. The tubes were all cast at West Point Foundry, New York, and bear the initials of inspector Rufus L. Baker. The tubes were given catalog numbers 1651, 1602, and 1601 respectively, at the Castillo. * The howitzer tubes shown are about 5 ½ feet long and weigh about 2600 lbs. each.

As far as I know, this trio of 8-inch Siege Howitzers, Model 1841, is the largest collection of U.S. Mexican War service artillery outside of Cullum Hall at the U.S. Military Academy, where two howitzers and six guns from Duncan’s and Ringgold’s batteries are preserved. Another one of the Mexican War Siege Train 8-inch howitzers, No. 7, reportedly survives at Fort Donelson National Military Park.**

*Castillo de San Marcos, NM, Cannon Inventory dated 30 July 2008

**Omstead, Stark, Tucker, THE BIG GUNS, Museum Restoration Service, Alexandria Bay, NY, 1997, appendix C109


 


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Re: Three Mexican War Siege Howitzers identified in Florida
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2009, 02:00:26 PM »
And if you haven't seen my video of the artillery at Castillo, here it is:

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Re: Three Mexican War Siege Howitzers identified in Florida
« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2009, 03:07:37 AM »
Great video Cannonmn!  It appears there were a lot of different mortars mounted on the same type sled over the years.  That sled is the same one I tried to copy.
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