Author Topic: Palin Gets $50,000.00 Bill from Republican Party for Vetting Her for VP Run (Read 1984 times)

slim rem 7 · « **Reply #30 on:** December 31, 2009, 03:59:56 AM »

i think you are right greybeard.. only god can save the, one nation under god with liberty and justice for all,concept,, now..but until he does ,,im gonna do everything i can also..heck it was in his hands the whole time anyway ,,i believe. slim
ps . work like everything depends on you..pray like everything depends on god..

Dee · « **Reply #31 on:** December 31, 2009, 04:03:31 AM »

In her book "Going Rogue" Palin talks continually about the SCRIPT she was required to follow by the Republican "Headquarters", and she stated that at no time was she ever told that there was even a charge for such things as "vetting". It was a requirement of the Republican party to vett her, and a charge was never mentioned.
Think about the stance the Republican Party took on this issue. We lost, the bill is YOURS! If we had won, we would have paid the entire bill, no questions asked. What hypocrisy!

It was also said in another post by someone else, and MANY OTHERS, that: The most conservative, traditional values candidate will always get my vote.

How can one make that statement and have voted McCain? WHEN! There was a Baptist Preacher running on the Constitutional Party ticket, and Bob Barr on the Libertarian Ticket. Both FAR MORE CONSERVATIVE, and TRADITIONAL VALUES CANDIDATES than McCain could ever be.
It is like saying "I'M A PILOT, BUT I CAN'T FLY A PLANE".

wareagleguy · « **Reply #32 on:** December 31, 2009, 05:08:51 AM »

Sounds like some old Republican party to me. Good folks

Oldshooter · « **Reply #33 on:** December 31, 2009, 05:13:49 AM »

Well Dee, Kinky friedman was running for Governor of Texas, but never had a chance of winning!

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Baptist Preacher running on the Constitutional Party ticket, and Bob Barr on the Libertarian Ticket.

Also had no chance of winning! We might as well have voted for Superman, or Batman.

I well know your feelings and respect them, but I will never vote towards giving a leftist, socialist community organizer a better chance at gaining office or being re-elected, and thats what i believe happens when we "fantasy vote" for candidates that cannot win. Not that they shouldn't but cannot win, because they dont command enough votes from this less than ignorant group called the American voters. There are no perfect candidates unless you and I ran on a ticket but we would not get enough votes either which proves the foolishness of the average voter.

Heck i bet neither one of us could win an election here on this site, where everyone knows where we stand!

Dee · « **Reply #34 on:** December 31, 2009, 05:26:33 AM »

Well actually Oldshooter I believe if you and the other lessor of two evils crowd would vote for the HONEST candidate he COULD win. But you guys are afraid to change over. How can the HONEST MAN get support if you won't support him?
As far as Kinky Freedman, he would make as good a president as McCain. And slightly better than Obama, although only slightly.

As far as Batman and Superman, you might as well have voted for them over McCain also. The American voter didn't want him the first time he ran, and they certainly didn't want him this time. He was never going to be president, and most should have known that.
I do however, firmly believe that YOU would stand a much better chance at winning an election here on this site than me, because everyone for the most part already votes like you, so they wouldn't have to change their voting philosophy. If I were your running mate, you would be that snowball melting in hell. It just wouldn't happen for you.
With me as a candidate, I am the one many love to hate. I'm just all personality. I haven't looked, but I'm sure my IGNORED standing is much bigger than yours, and possibly growing as I type.

Oldshooter · « **Reply #35 on:** December 31, 2009, 05:43:56 AM »

Dee, I could have written that response for you!

Now for one thing, i agree with you about them winning if we all voted for them. Duhhh!!! I'm saying Me and You aint eneough, and as much as i like Palin, if she runs third party i probably wont vote for her for the same reasons I have previously stated!

If we had no clue as to how the election was gonna go maybe so. However by the week before any election in this country the polls show the candidates that have a chance

I promise you that when the time comes that a candidate is running that I honestly believe in is running in the top three in the polls(and i mean indepenedent polls) I'll be there with you. Other than that a "fantasy vote" will only help the greater evil get elected! and now we have seen what that is!

I like McCain no more than you, I FEAR what obama is doing to our country.
And No I dont think they are the same!

Graybeard · « **Reply #36 on:** December 31, 2009, 08:51:42 AM »

In the election just past it would not have mattered if everyone who voted for McCain and Palin and all the 3rd, 4th, and 5th party candidates combined had unified and voted for any one of them. Obama still would have won because the bleeding heart liberals, whites feeling guilty because they aren't black, the blacks, the hispanics and all the other minorities wanted a half black man elected and by damn they elected him. Well maybe they did, then again maybe the real power behind politics just fixed the numbers on enough machines to make it appear he won. Either way his totals were enough so that no one else was gonna win regardless.

Now I'm sure that had more of the apathetic supposedly conservatives had gotten out and voted then things "might" have been different. Then again it might have merely forced the cabal to have fixed the vote count on a few more machines. I don't care if you call it voting the lesser of two evils, voting your conscience or what the candidate the cabal wants elected is going to be elected and nothing short of a shooting war to remove those now in control will change that. Sadly I don't think even that will as I think they might already be too firmly entrenched to be removed.

Dee · « **Reply #37 on:** December 31, 2009, 09:07:06 AM »

Well I don't see my vote as a FANTASY vote, but more of a vote for what is morally right, and in support of the candidate that stands for the Constitution and Bill of Rights. I do however, now that you bring up the term see YOURS as a "Fantasy Vote" as it is no doubt yours and many others feeling or "imagination" or "FANTASY" that one evil is better than another.
It is nice to know that if someone else does the work and gets an independent into the top three that then and only then will you "jump on the band wagon".
If that had been the case with everyone in 1776, there wouldn't be an America.
This is why we have become as a nation what we are. Everyone wants someone else to do the work and take the chances while they bet on a sure thing, even if they say they don't like the sure thing. When they do this, their steadily trading off their freedoms a few at a time, FANTASIZING that someday their old freedoms will all come back. They won't. Their gone forever unless everyone does the unthinkable, and fights back, by stopping their continual down ward slide, and always settling for just a little less.
I once watched a bull rider nameD Adriano Moraes step to a bucking shoot, and ask a former World Champion Bull Rider by the name of Tuff Hedeman a question. Moraes had just rode a "fair bull", and was for the moment in first place, but his first place standing might not hold for the event if he did not take the re-ride on a much tougher bull and try to up his score.
He asked: Your the best in the world, what would you do? Without hesitation Tuff Hedeman turned and said: I'd try to win first. Moraes took the re-ride, and went on to be the World Champion several times.
My point? He took a chance on losing it all but, it was better than being in second place.
Oldshooter, I think you and I could be great friends if we lived closer, but I'm tired of second place, and have been a long time. You guys are willingly voting our freedoms away by continually settling for less because of your words FEAR, of folks like Obama. Obama is using the tools the former president left him to do what you fear.

ironglow · « **Reply #38 on:** December 31, 2009, 12:48:35 PM »

  I'm not "taking sides" on this issue...but I do hope to offer a bit of sagacity to the discussion. Still, it's only my two cents, and one can keep it or throw it away.
   I am as fed up as anybody with the "old politics" being played by the Democrats and Republicans. If a good, independant candidate comes up I will definitely campaign for him/her. Last time I did so for a candidate for local office (town council) in my township, my candidate garnered more votes than any other candidate on the ballot, including all..whether opposed or unopposed..and there were 4 running for the spot my candidate took. If someone such as Palin, Paul, Hunter or one of several others can mount a campaign..I may well canvass my area for them.
   I would hope the independants can score big in 2010 and I will do my best to help, being an independant myself.
  That being said, I would like to offer a slightly varying opinion.

   I would suppose that we can virtually all agree that refusing to vote is an act of negating OURSELF..right ?

   So, let's look at the choice of "lesser of two" or if you like the "better of two"..apply your own semantics. There is one thing I suspect many of us believe..that only ONE PERFECT PERSON ever walked the face of this old earth..agreed ?
  So basically, a well informed voter should seek to learn and select the best of what is offered..none being perfect, you see. That criterion should apply whether there is a choice of 2, 3 or 5 candidates for a given office..otherwise, we may be handing the office to the least qualified....by default.

   About voting for someone who cannot win;
   Now, I am not a gambling man, but if I were to bet on a boxing match..I may put my money on the guy in the red trunks or the guy in the white trunks...but I wouldn't put all my money on the trainer, who is sitting outside the corner, and doesn't even have a glove on..

   For the guys who insist there is no difference between the major parties, I will answer without using party labels...

   party characteristics which are:

   Pro-life, pro-2nd amendment, pro-military, pro-personal responsibility, pro-God, pro-patriotism, pro-Constitution as well as...
   anti-government takeover, anti-political correctness, anti the antis, anti-tax-the-air-you-breathe, anti-terrorist coddling, anti denigrating our troops, anti-giving terrorists Constitutional rights...and not anti-Christian..

   Which of the two major parties more closely follows those desireable traits ? ...answer for yourself

Oldshooter · « **Reply #39 on:** December 31, 2009, 01:32:15 PM »

For the life of me I cant understand how you could get " i want someone else to do the work and want to jump on the band wagon at the last minute" out of what i said before. I take the blame cause i failed to make my self clear. and this may not help.

The candidates have to do the work and by your own words, we have to evaluate what their voting record is and decide who we support based on where we want the country to go. Unfortunately there is whole lotta folk in this country that want big government, and a free ride. They want the government to make decisions for them, and expect to be bailed out. In the last election the Sheeple heard the used car pitch from the community organiser and bought the "used car" or they want to get a hold of some rich people money! Either way the country lost and may not ever be the same. Frankly I couldn't live with myself if i thought I voted in a way that would allow that SOB to be re-elected. So i'm gonna vote for whomever in the next election that I think will beat him. And I seriously doubt it will be a third party conservative/libertarian, but i'll vote for them if they have a prayer, and only if!

What I meant by "fantasy vote" was not that its not real, I mean that although it would be a good thing for a third Party conservative to win/get elected, it wont happen unless they get NATIONAL support. A few of us will not get it done, so its a fantasy to vote for someone who say has 15 to 2o% support and we know that 3 days before the election. We differ in that I cannot vote for someone who has no chance even if they would be a better choice.

Third Party candidates have historically been poison for the Party they closely resemble. I give you Perot who got Bush I beat, and Nader who pulled votes from Algore. And "WE" knew how it was gonna go 2 to 3 days before the election. The polls said how it was gonna go and so it went. so when you vote for a guy/girl who may make a damned good office holder and hard worker, but only a small minority of people agree with you. You are basically hoping for a miracle! Hence "Fantasy"

myronman3 · « **Reply #40 on:** December 31, 2009, 01:48:37 PM »

graybeard nailed it,

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The way I see it Rudy is we have the left and right hand of the same party now.

ironglow · « **Reply #41 on:** December 31, 2009, 02:50:34 PM »

Quote from: myronman3 on December 31, 2009, 01:48:37 PM

graybeard nailed it,
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The way I see it Rudy is we have the left and right hand of the same party now.

Two hands on the SAME party ? doesn't really look like it ! http://newsmax.com/InsideCover/states-lawsuit-attorneys-general/2009/12/30/id/345042

rickt300 · « **Reply #42 on:** December 31, 2009, 03:29:28 PM »

I don't think the Republican party can be called dead just yet. I also see possibilities for a third party to start taking house and senate seats. Saying the R's are just like the D's isn't saying the truth. after all the R's are pretty much standing firm against the D's at present. I don't think there will be another emergency stimulus bill passed so easily. Remember Obama won by a small percent of the vote, less than 3 million out of 126 million votes. There is also the consideration of who know how many fraudulent votes were created by ACORN since they had more than 300,000 people out there "getting the vote".

blind ear · « **Reply #43 on:** January 01, 2010, 05:20:04 AM »

She is one I have contributed to already, (more than a dollar) and it looks like it is time for me to put another little check in an envelope with another note and mail it. eddiegjr

jimster · « **Reply #44 on:** January 01, 2010, 06:47:42 AM »

"I don't think there will be another emergency stimulus bill passed so easily."

Another one passed the house just a while back on Dec 16th....another 154 billion or so. It was pretty easy...not even much press. This one was called "the jobs bill"...

..........course they haven't spent much of the first wad of money, saving that for a slush fund, probably to get someone elected again.

"after all the R's are pretty much standing firm against the D's at present."

Well...the question is if they take power what will they do then. They failed us last time they had the power.
Pretty hard to trust the republicans after what they did when they had the power.

rk4570 · « **Reply #45 on:** January 01, 2010, 07:32:38 AM »

I heard on the Radio, (progressive) that the Rep. Party has less than 20% of the peoples support.
Don't know if its true or not But this is the time for a 3rd. party if there is ever going to be one!

ironglow · « **Reply #46 on:** January 01, 2010, 01:03:36 PM »

rk4570;
Right on, the Reps seem to have less committed to them than the Dems..Last I heard, that would be probably something like 20% in the Rep camp ..with perhaps 32% in the Dem camp....Hmmmmm..that is like 52 %..where are the rest ?
Well, about 6% don't know or care..and about 42% are where many of us here are at..we're sold out to either major party !
However, I would suggest that the greater portion of the disaffected fall toward the conservative spectrum, which means we may have to do as some other, multi-party countries do..that is, to form coalitions.
Perhaps we could see a coalition of conservative Republicans and the bulk of the independants (look at the tea parties). Some of the independants, but few... would go liberal. The "moderates" of both Dem or Rep parties would just have to make their own choice..likely a 50/50 split.
Remember, it's that 42% that the parties have to court...and share power with, by taking on the character of the independants.

Heavy C · « **Reply #47 on:** January 01, 2010, 05:37:07 PM »

I've been saying it all along...she will go independent. These RINO's keep throwing her under the bus. Is the Republican Party dead? No. The two parties will remain, but we will see a much stronger 3rd party emerge for the next election cycle. Hide and watch.

briarpatch · « **Reply #48 on:** January 01, 2010, 08:31:35 PM »

There was another bill passed that went by most sheep. 800 billion and a blank check to fanny and freddy mac.
Idiots from both sides helped this madness.

P.A. Myers · « **Reply #49 on:** January 02, 2010, 01:27:48 AM »

We should note that Ross Peroit elected Clinton. That constant media barrage [TV, movies, books, arts, etc.] are hard to ignore. Most people are busy making a living and coping with moral fragmentation. Liberal attitudes are a thin veneer that is quickly peeled off when governments fail. When the lights went out in California, Grey Davis was removed from office as quickly as legally possible.

Conservatives must present solutions to the problems that people deal with. This inept foundering administration will present an opportunity to return to sanity, but only if conservatives can offer a viable option that cannot be smothered by the hippie media.

One problem that us knuckle-draging neanderthal conservatives have is that we are conservative.

Echo4Lima · « **Reply #50 on:** January 02, 2010, 02:22:47 PM »

There is a cold "civil war" going on in this country right now. It has been since the late 80's. After 9/11 it subsided a bit until the shock/anger of the attack wore off. Then it was right back to it. The Progressives (libs own label) have carried the last 2 elections. It remains to be seen how the next 2 or 3 will turn.

If you go to a third party, though it sounds good and gives the impression of rebelling the 2 party system, it will only empower somebody you wont be happy with at all. Your NEVER going to get a "perfect" canditate you will agree with 100%. I must admit that at this time I dont give to a "Party". I give to canditates. I wont support a party that has people working against my interests in it. I feel doing that gets the people I WANT into the party.

Ironglow indirectly touched on the problem. He said "informed". What we have the last 2 election cycles is ill-informed voters following the constant negative/pro barrage then voting on that instead of informing themselves what IS going on and what WILL happen with a certain canditate.

P.A. Meyers post above this says a lot too.

blind ear · « **Reply #51 on:** January 02, 2010, 03:30:27 PM »

Repubs are coorporate and huge sums of the bail out went to save the Republican sponsored deregulated banks. Republicans supported thier bailout first of all before Bush left. As far as who made the money from them, real estate and banks, Freddie and Fanny come under the same light.

The Democrats don't need much explaining as ignorant as thier leadership is.

Like some here have said, the sooner it gets as bad as it can get the sooner it has a chance to get better.

I will support those with views I agree with wheather they "appear" they can win or not. Sarah Palin and a few others will get my support in hopes one will build steam.

Ride it out.

eddiegjr
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alsaqr · « **Reply #52 on:** January 03, 2010, 02:25:22 AM »

One thing for sure: The old fossils who run the Republican party do not like Palin any more than the liberal Democrats do. They will never allow Palin to run on the Republican ticket for anything.

DDZ · « **Reply #53 on:** January 03, 2010, 03:26:27 AM »

Many people in this country look toward the government as the provider and giver of everything. Just look at most of our elected that is in office now. They promised free this and free that, and they got elected based on what they were going to give people. Until this mindset changes with voters, nothing much is ever going to change.
It appears that many don't worry about what freedoms are being taken away, but worry more about what goodies they can get.

It all starts with our government run educational system. Government has done a great job in slanting children's minds into thinking that government is the answer to everything. In 18 short years these people are indoctrinated the way government dictates and are eligible to vote. Why vote for someone that campaigns on upholding the Constitution, when many have no idea what the Charters of Freedom are, or mean. When is the last time you heard someone running for office say they want to get government out of education, and let the people decide how their children are educated?

Echo4Lima · « **Reply #54 on:** January 05, 2010, 11:38:45 AM »

alsaqr, look at the Congressional race in New York 23(?) the Republican Party selected the canditate without a primary. The rank and file of that district we went balistic and selected another canditate on a Conservative ticket. I know the canditate lost but the lesson is the rank and file party members arent going to just "accept" the partys whims any more.

Thats the point of my post earlier. Damn the party, select the canditates YOU want represting YOUR party. What ever your politics, if your not happy with the partys policies and canditates, support the one that you are in favor of. Thats the way to take the system back.

Those party leaders in that district wont "select" a canditate again! There will be a primary next time!