Pistol calibers in rifles

[swiftman]

So when is Ill going to come out of the stone age and allow handgun calibers in rifles??
I can shoot one 44 mag for .50 cents or a 20ga slug for $2.50 ,but both of them have the same effect one deer.

[GRIMJIM]

If you live here, then you know rifles are evil.

I don't know when or if that will happen. I would like a nice lever in 44 mag to hunt with so I hope it does soon.

[smokeeater3302]

Right about the rifles being evil . You can hunt coyotes with .300 if you want to. Il  just doesnt make any sense. Also you can use any straight walled cartidge in a hand gun over .30 cal and having 500 ft/lbs of energy.
So you can use a 45/70 if you wanted to but again not a rifle. What gives? Sorry this has been a pet peave of mine for some time .

[Paints-n-cows]

That is an argument that we have had with the DNR forever.  I suppose that they think that the boys up around Chicago would be potshooting each other...

The good thing/stupid thing is that my .500 S&W can reach out to 250 yards and carry more energy than a round from a .30-30.  With the handgun, this can lead to people that aren't near as adept at shooting a handgun accurately to attempt to stretch it to its outer limits and really risk losing a deer to a piss poor shot.

And the restriction on 1.4" length for a bottleneck cartridge smells.  There are only 3 such rounds that I know of...and two of them were invented after that restriction was put in place.  Kind of makes you wonder who had whose hand in whose pocket.

[ILHunter]

I have heard there is some steam behind this issue ( allowing rifles in the current pistol calibers-like Ind. passed couple years back).
Contact our legislators and maybe the ISRA would help out.  The biggest opposition will likely be bow hunting groups.
It only makes sense (I know sense is many times rare), much easier to make a hit with a rifle over a handgun.  More humane kill and less misses are both good results.
Also many of the restrictions on calibers were to limit success not for safety reasons.  The herd is much different now then it was in the 60s.

[Glanceblamm]

I continue to be optimistic on this possibility but cant really say that i would go out and purchase a rifle just for this if it did go into effect.

I used a rifle, (Muzzleloader) from 81' through 2001 with great sucess but went with the handgun only in 2002 to present to add to the challenge. The front burner still recieved usage in the late season but even that quit last year when I put a Dot atop a SBH for some comforatable shooting out to 100yds.

I continue to be optimistic on this possibility but cant really say that i would go out and purchase a rifle just for this if it did go into effect.

In reality, Heck yes I would! Nothing like the chance to get a new rifle and get it setup for deer. The Handi owners for the most part seem to love their rifles but I would be thinking more in the lines of a single shot falling block?...would have to go shopping

[Paints-n-cows]

And I agree with that sentiment...I also hunt with a blackpowder but enjoy the handgun hunting even more.

I would like the state at least do what Indiana did and allow handgun calibers in rifles.  There would be no less challenge in hunting with a short range weapon than there is now with a B/P rifle.  This year, I harvested a doe at 176 yards with my .50 Huntsman in one shot.  She dropped in her tracks. 

[Glanceblamm]

This year, I harvested a doe at 176 yards with my .50 Huntsman in one shot.  She dropped in her tracks. 

Congratulations

While I took all my deer cept one (read maxi-ball) with the patched ball, I had that T\C setup with 85gr of triple and the powerbelt conical for late season. It shot very good out to 150yds which was as far as I cared to shoot with those iron sights and my eyes.

My handgun cal in rifle piece would wear glass for sure.

[swiftman]

Like I said a .44mag rifle will do anything a 20ga sabot will do with the right bullet. A 270 to 300gr  .44 bullet is the same wt. as a .20ga Sabot. Plus you could go to .500sw if you had a chance of a elephant charging you.
A 44mag will kill anything that walks in this state in a Rifle with little recoil, and ALOT cheaper than .20sabot slugs. 
Maybe if we get enough bulldozers together and shove Springfield & Chicago into the lake we could get something done.

Looking into reloading  20ga sabots . I have a phone# to call for info and price list on this stuff , hopefully can reload them alot cheaper and maybe more accurate to.

I have friends in Ind. who use .44mag and .357max rifles with great effect.
It would be nice if they screwed up like when they wrote the pistol law and we could use unlimited straight wall case length in rifles, so I could use my 45-70 Marlin Cowboy rifle.

[S.B.]

That is an argument that we have had with the DNR forever. 

I don't know about forever? Weren't handguns first legalize during Blagojevich's tenure(first year if memory serves)?
Steve

[Paints-n-cows]

I don't know about forever? Weren't handguns first legalize during Blagojevich's tenure(first year if memory serves)?
Steve
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The argument about using rifles to hunt deer has gone on for as long as I can remember.

Yes, it was changed during his reign of terror but I personally know the "higher-level" individual that presented that argument to him.  It was not even something that he was aware of and dismissed the change while using this as a tool to placate this individual.  Why do you think that it was limited to 1.4"?  This individual wanted to use his Whisper.  It was politics as usual.

But don't believe that Blago was savior.  He is also the one that decided that the funds that were earmarked for migratory fowl was good for the general fund.  After the Feds found out about it, they withheld ALL of the Fed money until those funds were returned.

[S.B.]

Paints-n-cows, yes even we from Nowhereville heard the story about how his friend couldn't legally take a nice buck during Jan. super cold season.
Steve

[Paints-n-cows]

I am also near Nowhereville...actually about 15 miles south of there

And I agree with the analysis that if Chicago fell off in the Lake, that things would be great.  It is far enough away that the tidal wave wouldn't affect me either.

[GRIMJIM]

I live right next door and would be more than happy to help push.

[Paints-n-cows]

We would probably get in trouble with the EPA....you can't dump raw sewage in the water