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From the mind of a 10 year old
« on: November 10, 2009, 04:21:01 PM »
 :)  my oldest boy (hes 10) has a question for the experts , since i couldnt come up with a good answer . could you make and use an aluminum bullet ? I had no good answer
  I know to you guys its probably silly,but i had to ask . thanks in advance fl.hillbilly
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Re: From the mind of a 10 year old
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2009, 04:28:36 PM »
In short, yes. 
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Re: From the mind of a 10 year old
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2009, 04:49:26 PM »
I would guess that they would be lacking too much in mass. I'm not sure but it would seem that for example, a 168 grain bullet made out of pure aluminum would be way to long to fit any chamber, and if you could get it chambered, the wind would have a serious adverse effect on the trajectory of its flight. Maybe aluminum tips though? Like I said, I'm just guessing.
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Re: From the mind of a 10 year old
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2009, 05:01:14 PM »
be  kinda  hard  on  my  aluminum  moulds

cast  iron  mould  and  something  big  like a 45-70  might be  do-able

go  to wikipedia
find  what  spacific gravity  is for  lead  and  aluminum  then  calculate  %

405 [lead cast]  X    % [aluminum to lead difference]   ==   cast  aluminum bullet

also  check  the  melting  point   for  both metals

winchester   silvertip  pistal  bullets are  aluminum  jackets  i think

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Re: From the mind of a 10 year old
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2009, 06:31:59 PM »
Can I? Nope. Can you? Nope. Can it be done by someone somewhere out there with the right equipment sure. But why?


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Re: From the mind of a 10 year old
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2009, 08:00:24 PM »
Yes, you can, the early Noslers were turned on a lathe from a solid bar so no reason why it could not be done with any metal,  Ballistics would be poor for aluminium.
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Re: From the mind of a 10 year old
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2009, 12:55:56 AM »
alum can be cast but not with the equiptment the average caster has. Like bbf said the easiest way would be on a lathe.
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Re: From the mind of a 10 year old
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2009, 01:30:35 AM »
Lapua makes aluminum cored bullets for military training purposes. Those are copper jacketed so may be fired in normal rifle barrels. Straight aluminum would gall and foul if in contact with a rifle's bore, but they work fine if encased in a sabot. Short range, tremendous velocity. Like 5000-6000 fps from a rifle, and useful to maybe 25 yards.
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Re: From the mind of a 10 year old
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2009, 08:08:26 AM »
So you could recycle beer cans,of course.

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Re: From the mind of a 10 year old
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2009, 08:22:56 AM »
after you melt them down and make into bar stock
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Re: From the mind of a 10 year old
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2009, 01:03:17 PM »
 :) Thanks for the replies , curiosity satisfied
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Re: From the mind of a 10 year old
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2009, 03:36:19 PM »
One thing not mentioned by the others is that unless coated somehow, that raw aluminum would rapidly form a coating of aluminum oxide.  I'd not want to shove one down any barrel I owned given its abrasive properties.

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Re: From the mind of a 10 year old
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2010, 03:15:38 PM »
Ever hear of winchester silver tips?  Prety sure they had an aluminium jacket.  Also, look at the paper patching forum, Veral and others have patched bullets with aluminium foil.  Shouldn't have any adverse effects on the barrel, although I, too, suspect galling, or whatever you want to call it.

Remember that energy is velocity squared, times weight, so you could get a tremendous wound from a n aluminium bullet as long as the speed held up.U.S.Military did some experimental, and some production loads with Flachettes, or tiny steel darts in the sixties.  They made very nasty wounds because of their ultra hig velocity.

  Shrapnel wounds are also sometimes all out of proportion to the size of the projectilebecause of speed.  The whole argument was what gave people the mistaken impression that speed is the more important factor. 

     Also, A 22-250 or a 220 swift will penetrate steel plate better than a 30-06 with a p loads. Again, speed.  I wouldn't want to cause anyone to do anything Illegal, but a truncated cone aluminium bullet at 5-6000 feet per second would probably penetrate quite a bit of steel.

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Re: From the mind of a 10 year old
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2010, 09:28:05 AM »
Ever hear of winchester silver tips?  Prety sure they had an aluminium jacket. 

Nope, it was a nose cone only for lack of a better word. The bullet had a normal gilding type jacket.

The new ones from Combined Tech don't even have that and are a long cry from the original ST's.
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Re: From the mind of a 10 year old
« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2010, 03:33:31 PM »
look at the  44 special  and  45lc  rounds

they  look  aluminum to me  all   over
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Re: From the mind of a 10 year old
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2010, 04:44:41 PM »
OK, I'll look next time I have the chance. Could they be jacketed with a cupro-nickel alloy. That has been done, mostly in Europe I believe.
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Re: From the mind of a 10 year old
« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2010, 05:46:04 PM »
I have a factory box of zamac wadcutter 38 bullets. They look just like the 148 gr Lyman bullet but weigh about 115 gr if I remember right. I think zamac is an alloy of zinc and other stuff like tin with a relitively low melting point. I assume the bullets were cast.

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Re: From the mind of a 10 year old
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2010, 09:47:25 AM »
 I read about some work on  a aluminum bullets..  on a lathe
---  for  home self defence,,, low penitration and high speed out of a .38 Spec.
 With a range of 10 - 15  feet  ---- dan

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Re: From the mind of a 10 year old
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2010, 03:20:59 PM »
I read about some work on  a aluminum bullets..  on a lathe
---  for  home self defence,,, low penitration and high speed out of a .38 Spec.
 With a range of 10 - 15  feet  ---- dan

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