30/223

[casper_zip]

Hello:  :grin:

Just wondering if anyone of you shoot the 30/223 T/C Contender ?? I had a SS barrel made by Virgin Valley, and I'm working on loads for it. In my note book, already have 8 that I have tried. Have many more loads to work up with different powders. I am already doing 30 Herrett loads in this 223 case, no pressure signs, etc.

If any of you have any info to share, I'd appreciate it very much. Thanks in advance.

Casper_Zip :grin:  :grin:  :grin:

[K2]

7 TCU data should get you close to where you want to be.  Going up in diameter for a given bullet weight tends to lower pressures but with all reloading you should be extremely cautious when using data from simular cartridges.  

Hello:  :grin:

Just wondering if anyone of you shoot the 30/223 T/C Contender ?? I had a SS barrel made by Virgin Valley, and I'm working on loads for it. In my note book, already have 8 that I have tried. Have many more loads to work up with different powders. I am already doing 30 Herrett loads in this 223 case, no pressure signs, etc.

If any of you have any info to share, I'd appreciate it very much. Thanks in advance.

Casper_Zip :grin:  :grin:  :grin:

[Jim Stacy]

If memory serves me correct  :-D , getting old . The case capicities of the 30 herrett and the 30/223 are similar. You could check the water volume of the formed case and someone else on the board checka 30 Herrett and see how close the volumes are. Some people say that the 30 /223 is a long skinny 30 Herrett but I think the Herrett may be a little bit larger but I don't know for sure . It would be an interesting comparison.

[HHI 812]

the .223 sized case can go to max pressures over the cut down 30-30 case. But the .30 Herrett has a rimmed case too. Now if you could get some 5.6x50R brass! I modified my SSK .300 Whisper barrel many years ago, when JD first came out with the cartridge(and even though he said it wouldn't work and I shouldn't do the modifications).  Never lost a RWS 5.6x50R brass before, when I had a 7mm and 6.5x50R Bellm barrel. And I pushed that case to loads I wouldn't dare publish. Its one of the strongest and best brass I've ever played with.

[blksqurl]

i had one made in a sako go to cartridges of the world book the name of it is the 30- Apatchie i THINK thats the proper name ,its been 15 20 years ago

[casper_zip]

Hey all:

The first mention I ever heard of the 30/223 was in the old, original IHSMA books. A fellow by the name of Tom Beall made the very first one, and the gun won the first ISHMA match. Elgin Gates borrowed Tom's gun and done good with it also, he did not have a working 7MM. 

Tom was killed in an automobile accident in Arizona, and this great cartridge more or less died with him. I had one made in tribute to him, and it's one super accurate, great cartridge.

Best,

casper_zip

[HHI 812]

casper,

I have a 300 Whisper factory barrel not in use. You think I would gain much going to this cartridge? Who made your barrel? I'm wondering about just reaming it out?

Thanks,

Dennis

[casper_zip]

Virgin Valley made mine. Yes this is quite a bit more potent than the 300 Whisper. I have the 300 Whisper also. You can get the idea about it by sitting a 221 Fireball and a 223 Rem. case side by side.

Some of my loads are well in the 30 Herrett range, no pressure signs. Yes, I have a 30 Herrett, also. I have a love affair with the 30's along with some others.

Get one, you'll love it. It does look a bit "weird" not much shoulder at all.

Casper_zip

[HHI 812]

I was just curious on what kind of velocities you have been getting? With my 10" 300 Whisper, I am getting 2040 fps with a 150 grain Nosler BT. I was getting 2100+fps with the 125 Nosler BT.

[HHI 812]

Talking about a weird case, I once had a 11" SSK encore barrel in 50 American Eagle. It was a 50 AE necked out to .510"(the way they invented it originally). I was shooting pulled bullets from 50 BMG rounds. Was mostly bullet and hardly any case!

[casper_zip]

Hello:

Will have to find my notes on the 30/223. I also have (just got it) a 30 Reece. It is wonderful. It is a 38 Special necked down to 30 caliber. It is almost neck and neck with the 300 Whisper. I haven't had time to chrono and get all my data gathered. I have the original loading book of data from the daddy of the 30 Reece. I am loving this one, too.

I'll try and get some data gathered up for you.

casper_zip

[HHI 812]

Thanks casper_zip. I wanted to utilize the 5.6x50R brass, but can't find any around? Next was the 357 Maximum brass, using my 300 Whisper dies, but not sure if I'll gain that much, and worth the trouble. I had an earlier Whisper barrel, that I had a recess cut to utilize cut Maximum brass, but that was too much trouble. I was considering the 204 brass too? But keep thinking a rimmed brass ejects better in the contender? In other words, trying to see what gains I'll get with each case??? Your thoughts?

[casper_zip]

Well, to be honest I have never, ever had a problem with the rimless cases being hard to get out in my T/C's. Matter of fact never knew of anyone having a problem with rimless.

I got a cousin down the road, and he is always saying, if you go with rim, thats the way to go. I'm 70, soon to be 71 years old, and been loading since I was in my teens.  Reload and shoot lots, but the rimless case stuff has me buffalowed, never have seen or heard any real time problems with rimless.

Oh, well, I love and shoot them all. Don't matter to me. I just love accurate loads and guns. That's the ultimate joy of reloading and shooting in my book. Of course, it's much cheaper, too.


casper_zip

[HHI 812]

You think that 204 would be a good option? I know the 223 is easy to get, but its a single shot, so don't really matter. The 204 is a longer case, and readily available. Look forward to what you gain over the Whisper, and then from that I can can roughly see what the 204 would gain.
Thanks,
Dennis