Browing 9mm long ammo & 9mm browing short ammo ???

[1911crazy]

What exactly is 9mm browing long ammo?  And  9mm short ammo???

Can it be used in a 9mm largo pistol? (9mm long)

I never seen a pistol in 9mm long or in 9mm short?

[gandog56]

I'm a thinking a 9mm short is a .380. As for the 9mm Browning Long, yes there was such a cartridge. Developed for the FN Model 1903, and popular in Europe, but never here.

It was the official military sidearm/cartridge in Sweden starting around 1907 until the 9mm Lahti was adopted.

The case is a bit shorter than the .38 Auto/.38 Super Auto case.

[Mikey]

The 9mm Short is also the 9mm Kurz (short in German), the 9x17, the 9mm Corto (Italian for short) and the 380. 

The 9mm Long is, as gandog said, a cartridge developed specifically for the 1903 Fn pistol - it is 9mm by about 21mm long. 

If you drop a bit further on down this forum there are some posts about this round. 

[blpenn66502]

9mm Largo and 9mm Browning Long are not the same.  Largo is 9x23 (not to be confused with the 9x23 Winchester) where the Browning Long is nominally 9x20 so you'd have about 3mm or so of excessive headspace.  The the Browning Long is also semi-rimmed so I doubt it would even chamber.  Surplus Spanish 9mm Largo ammo is relatively available with some marked as non-corrosive. 

On a side note my Grandfather picked up a LLAMA 9mm Largo at the end of WWII in Austria (there was a pile of pistols laying there and were told to take one if they wanted as they walked by on the way to ship back home - that "benefit" of being in a combat zone is long gone now) thinking it was a M1911, and I thing it annoyed him until the day he died.  At some point probably in the 70s, he bought a box of 9mm Luger being told it was the correct ammo for it, fortunately he never fired the 9mm Luger in it (box was full) but it would chamber no problem, held in place by the extractor, and would probably have fired.

[1911crazy]

Thanks guys now i understand were the 9mm long goes its FN handgun. I don't know much about all the different 9mm rounds yet.

9mm luger 9x19
9mm makarov 9x18
380acp 9x17 (browing 9mm short & 9mm kurtz)
9mm largo 9x23
9mm browing long 9x20

I found a star super in 9mm largo and an astra 400 also in 9mm largo.  I have three different colored/labled boxes of the spanish 9mm largo ammo I figured its all from different years of manufacture.  I haven't shot any yet.  But i have shot the old surplus spanish 9mm luger and it seemed hot to me.  I think its actually machine pistol ammo its pretty stout.

I been told i could shoot the 9mm luger and shorter rounds out of my largo chambered guns but i won't do it.  I don't want to break any parts or take a chance on my body parts being cheap and foolish.

But the 9mm largo ammo is probably the cheapest to shoot right now too.

[gandog56]

Well the 9X19 is the one with the most names. 9X19, 9mm parabellum, 9mm Luger.......

The 9X18 is of course 1mm shorter. It has the same shape and can even be made from 9X19's by trimming them 1mm shorter. But they use bullets sized .364-.365" instead of the 9X18 bullets sized .355-.356".

[Sir Charles deMoutonBlack]

Here is the thread on the Swedish version of the Browning 1903, adopted as the Husqvarna m07.

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,110584.0.html

[Mikey]

1911Crazy:  Please do not shoot the 9x19 from your 9mm Largo chambered pistols as most often the part that breaks, the extractor, cannot be replaced.  I believe you can probably purchase aftermarket 9x19 barrels for those two pistols, from Federal - they usually run adds in the Shotgun News. 

I'm certain most of the 9mm Largo ammo you have is corrosively primed.  I have some 1946 manufactured 9mm Largo for my Destroyer Carbine and I feel compelled to clean it well after shooting some of that stuff.  jmtcw.

[1911crazy]

Mikey;  Trust me you know me for a longtime and i won't and refuse to shoot anything but 9mm largo in my astra 400 or in my star super a pistols.  I have plenty of largo ammo to play with.  I was thinking if there was another 9mm ammo that was interchangable with the 9mm largo (exactly). Then we have another option to shoot that ammo.

I hear so many guys say to shoot 9mm luger in there 9mm largo pistols and the extractor actually holds the shorter round firm inplace to fire it.  To me there is still a space in the headspace so its not correct to shoot the shorter rounds in the 9mm largo pistol.

I'm not going to try anything without asking a dumb question here first.