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Offline magyars4

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Help w/ 45-70
« on: November 04, 2003, 08:42:21 AM »
I have just returned from the range and have had outstanding results w/
Hornady 350 gr soft pont pushed by 33.7 gr of 2400 (cci 200 Primer). no sign of excess pressure.
And when I got home and started looking thru my reloading data again the only place I can find any info on this hi a charge is in my lyman cast bullet handbook....now I know I checked it out before I reloaded these rounds.......but cant find any other data.
MY QUESTION
Is this a safe load?

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« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2003, 12:20:55 PM »
What's the source of the data you used?
Safety first

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Thats the rub
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2003, 12:30:52 PM »
Questor,
I thought I pulled it out of the one book/one caliber, the complete reloading manual for the 45-70
685 proven and tested loads
19 bullet designs
28 different powders

But
now I cant find the load in there ( maybe I mixed it up for 300 gr bullet?!)
Only place I could find the data was in Lymans book for cast bullets
No signs of pressure, no primers issues, no swelled cases, no extraction problems.
I am just trying to make sure
THNX

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« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2003, 09:53:44 AM »
I couldn't find this load in any of my books either but QuickLoad shows the following:

.45-70
350 Grain Hornady FN
33.7 grains 2400
36,973 PSI  1,892 FPS

FWIW,

Ka6otm

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Just what I was looking for
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2003, 12:52:07 PM »
Ka60tm,
Thanks for taking the time to look that up.
I feel alot more comfortable now with this load.

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« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2003, 04:01:35 PM »
Hello magyars4, :D

 :grin: In the 12 plus reloading manuals I have come across more on the 300-gr than the 350-gr bullets. But I have found several references for the 350-gr bullet and “is your load safe?” well it would depend on what type of 45-70 you have?

 :) In my “one Book/One Caliber” pg. 33 (your book might be on another pg.) “for modern rifles designed for high pressure loads only” 350-gr maximum load only shows 2400 powder at 30.0-grs.

 :-D As for the Hodgdon Powder No. 27 Data Manual goes a bit further for the Springfield “Trapdoor”, 1886, Rolling Block, and Antique Replicas with a 385-gr cast lead, not to be confused with some other cast material, 2400 powder only max’ed out at 25.0-grs.

 :-) While the Nick Harvey’s Practical Reloading Manual shows for the Marlin model 1895 for the 350-gr. From27-gr to 29-gr. with the 2400 powder. But for the old model Winchester 1886, 1873 Trapdoor Springfield, Remington Rolling Block, the H&R “Shikari”, and modern replicas show the 2400 powder from 26-gr to 30-gr. on the high side. Now the Ruger No.1 and Siamese Mauser rifles only list the 2400 powder for 300-gr bullets from 35.5-gr to wampum 41.5-grs.

 :eek: Whereas the Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook only gives a 366-gr #2 Alloy loaded with 2400 powder starts with 26.5-gr to 33.5-gr with a little footnote (get there book to read it). Meanwhile in the Lyman 47th Ed. Reloading Handbook we find the 300-gr bullet taking center stage again for the 1886 Winchester and the 1895 Marlin with the 2400 powder from 30-gr to a big spread of 34-grs. and the Ruger No. 1 and No. 3 with 31.0-gr topping out to 35.0-grs.

Yours truly, :wink:
Donna :roll:
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OK
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2003, 11:52:56 PM »
Donna,
Thanks for the info.
I apreciate you taking the time to do the footwork.
Thanks

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« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2003, 04:17:34 AM »
magyars4
2400 burns  a little fast for either max velocity or best accuracy in most  45/70 rifles,
I would strongly suggest  useing H4895, RL-7 ,IMR-4198 or IMR-3031,
I think youll find that you can get higher velocities at lower peak pressures and better accuracy also.
I would also suggest that you cast your own bullets, youll save hundred of dollars and get to shoot far more in the long run,heres a few tips
buy the lyman cast bullet manual
NEI makes EXCELLENT MOLDS
the bullets MUST be sized about .001-.002 over bore size
the bullets with gas checks tend to be more accurate
the bullets in the 350-440 weight range tend to be more acurate
the bullets should be seated out to the MAX length that will function in the gun.
bullet speed over about 1700fps tend to be less acurate in most guns
IMR 4198,RL-7 and H4895,and IMR3031 tend to be accurate
the bullet lube you use has a big effect on accuracy
the bullet ALLOY has an effect, on bullet accuracy, 94% wheel weights/6%tin works ok for most loads
bullets like these proved VERY accurate in my 45/70 marlin WHEN TESTING FOR THE ACCURACY, NOT the  MAX VELOCITY was the determining factor in how fast you push them, and what loads you used
 
 

BTW heres the bullet lube formula Ive used for years with total success
5 lbs bees wax
5 lbs paraffin
2 lbs MOLY AXLE GREASE (Chevron Moly Greases EP)
1 lb MOLY powder http://www.tsmoly.com/prices_guncare.htm
1 lb alox
http://www.midwayusa.com/rewriteaproduct/453249
melt and blend then I made a mold from metal tube to pour and mold hollow sticks, now that cost about $55-$60 for 14 lbs of lube compared to well over $80-$100 for the same weight in commercial sticks of lube that don,t seem to work as well in my rifles, like this I was useing
http://www.midwayusa.com/rewriteaproduct/653882