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Offline Avyctes

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Future Cz52s
« on: February 17, 2010, 08:56:47 AM »
Does anyone have a clue if the supply of Cz52s has been depleted and we are now reduced to what's available from individuals, or are there any more stores of these that are yet to be imported?  I've got one, and I think I got in on the tale end of it so I feel lucky to have one at all; but I get asked all the time by friends and co-workers who are wanting one when/if they'll ever be available again. 

From what I recall there were only about 100k of these made total production, so my feelings are that we have seen the last of them in quantity.  100k just isnt' that much when you spread it across the entire globe (if that number is correct). 

A co-worker has decided to divest himself of his and there are already two takers who will be vying with one another for it. 

Also, any idea if the 9mm version could be easily converted back to 7.62x25?  I saw that SARCO was selling a German version chambered for 9mm Luger, but no idea if it could be converted or not. 
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Re: Future Cz52s
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2010, 10:07:02 AM »
 Don't know if we will ever see them in good supply again. the 9mm. conversion is a simple barrel swap that can be done in about 3 minutes or less and the same gun can be swapped back and forth with no problems.
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Re: Future Cz52s
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2010, 11:53:20 AM »
Quote from: torpedoman on February 17, 2010, 10:07:02 AM
Don't know if we will ever see them in good supply again. the 9mm. conversion is a simple barrel swap that can be done in about 3 minutes or less and the same gun can be swapped back and forth with no problems.

Don't know about that. I heard some magazines won't feed the 9mm because the lips are wrong for that round.
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Re: Future Cz52s
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2010, 12:19:46 PM »
check makarov.com for parts. they did have replacement barrels and parts for these years ago. I don't know if thats the case any longer.  You'll want to get a new firing pin for these old guys.  Also if you look at the top "rib" on the slide between the sights you may notice a small peen mark from a center punch.  This is the grade mark one or two dots is the higher grade from the arsenal.  Hope this helps.  enjoy

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Re: Future Cz52s
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2010, 05:56:53 AM »
I'm not sure if we will see the CZ52's being offered again by the dealers on the net.  But we still have the tokarev's if you want to change that over to a 9mm. One day i found two of the chinese norinco tok's in the orginal boxes still looking new and one was in 9mm luger and the other was in 7,62x25 tok.  These were still affordable.  Now i'm seeing the higher prices on the C&R pistols and i wonder why are they so much higher?  I got a feeling there sticking it to us because of our C&RFFL.
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Re: Future Cz52s
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2010, 05:19:54 AM »
I don't want to convert either of them to 9mm.  I'm rather enamored with the 7,62x25 myself.  I have both a Cz52 and a Romanian TTc, both chambered in 7,62x25.  What I was really trying to find info on is are there any more stores of Cz52s, and if you find one in 9mm (like Sarco was advertising awhile back), could it be converted back to 7,62x25, not the other way around.  I see a lot of interest still yet in the Cz52.  Seems like half the guys I work with want one and are kicking themselves for not getting one when they were still readily available.  I helped a buddy recently sell his to another co-worker for $250.  He had stripped it to re-park, he hadn't ordered the extra mag/holster when he got it, so all it was was the gun and one mag - $250.  I know we've all said 'Boy I wish I'd bought five of these when i bought mine', well, I really-really wish I'd bought five of them when I bought mine!
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Re: Future Cz52s
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2010, 05:53:51 PM »
Quote from: gandog56 on February 19, 2010, 11:53:20 AM
Quote from: torpedoman on February 17, 2010, 10:07:02 AM
Don't know if we will ever see them in good supply again. the 9mm. conversion is a simple barrel swap that can be done in about 3 minutes or less and the same gun can be swapped back and forth with no problems.

Don't know about that. I heard some magazines won't feed the 9mm because the lips are wrong for that round.

I can only comment on those i have done about a half dozen and never had any problem except one barrel needed feed ramp polished.
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Re: Future Cz52s
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2010, 02:45:23 PM »
Century Arms is getting some in soon; from their site:

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Product ID: HG763-G
CZ MDL 52 Pistol, Cal. 7.62 TOKAREV

Made by Czeska Zbrojovka. These pistols were the standard sidearm of the Czech army. An extremely strong and reliable pistol. Comes with two 8 rd. mags. and holster. Barrel: 4.71", Overall: 8.25", Weight: 2.31 lbs. Condition: Good.
Price: $209.87
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So, I guess there are some stowed away somewhere.

These might be good candidates for a re-park and new barrel.

$210 is certainly better than what they are going for at auction right now.
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Re: Future Cz52s
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2010, 03:38:46 AM »
Cz52s now available from Century as of their April '10 catalog.  $209.87.  Comes w/ 2 8-rnd magazines & the holster.
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Re: Future Cz52s
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2010, 01:25:46 PM »
I have a 9mm, my brother has a 7.62 - we can swap barrels and mags with no issues.
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Re: Future Cz52s
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2010, 11:29:56 AM »
Some place had some 9mm replacement barrels for 90 bucks, but they haven't had them in a long while. I would love to get my hands on one.
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Re: Future Cz52s
« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2010, 02:53:05 AM »
gandog:  find a link for Federal Arms - I believe they are the ones who carried the interchangeable bbls for many pistols including the CZ52.  They should have it.  HTH.
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Re: Future Cz52s
« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2010, 04:42:33 AM »
Do be advised if you change the barrel to a different caliber you will change the status of it being a C&R according to the intent of the law. You will be modifying it from the original issue which changes it's C&R status.
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Re: Future Cz52s
« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2010, 09:10:49 PM »
I think Federal Arms went broke couple years back.
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Re: Future Cz52s
« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2010, 05:08:02 AM »
Federal Arms was bought by Century International. Check with Gunbroker or put an add in the "wanted to buy" section.
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Re: Future Cz52s
« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2010, 08:27:54 PM »
I bought 2 when they were cheap 8-9 yrs ago and like them the way they are in 7.62X25 and yea you can change them to 9mm but here is the deal forget and chamber a 9mm in a 7.62X25 barrel and you know what will happen when you pull the trigger.So if you own a 9mm conversion barrel and the 7.62X25 best make shure what barrel and ammo you are useing a 9mm will chamber and fire in a standard 7.62X25 barrel.
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Re: Future Cz52s
« Reply #16 on: July 05, 2010, 09:57:33 AM »
There is a 9mm CZ52 barrel for sale on Gunbroker now. Buy-it-now is $140.
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Re: Future Cz52s
« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2010, 08:46:53 AM »
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Also, any idea if the 9mm version could be easily converted back to 7.62x25?  I saw that SARCO was selling a German version chambered for 9mm Luger, but no idea if it could be converted or not. 

Gents, there seems to be quite a bit of confusion about the direction of barrel conversion in this thread.  The question posed was 9mm to 7.62x25, not 7.62x25 to 9mm.  My original question was if I found a 9mm version (which SarCo Inc had for sale recently as 2009) what would it entail to convert it back to the original caliber of 7.62.  I prefer the 7.62x25 round for this pistol.  I just wondered if the barrel change was all that was required.

Century Arms sold out rather quick, so for now, Gunbroker, gun shows, et al are the only choices for obtaining one that I know of.

Best regards,

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Re: Future Cz52s
« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2010, 12:44:25 PM »
I understand that the CZ-52 was designed to fire the 9mm Luger cartridge, but then, things being what they were at the time, it was made to fire the 7.62x25 Tokarev.  The magazines are the same, the barrel is the only thing different.  I actually prefer the Tok cartridge though.
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Re: Future Cz52s
« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2010, 01:51:52 PM »
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Also, any idea if the 9mm version could be easily converted back to 7.62x25?  I saw that SARCO was selling a German version chambered for 9mm Luger, but no idea if it could be converted or not.  

Gents, there seems to be quite a bit of confusion about the direction of barrel conversion in this thread.  The question posed was 9mm to 7.62x25, not 7.62x25 to 9mm.  My original question was if I found a 9mm version (which SarCo Inc had for sale recently as 2009) what would it entail to convert it back to the original caliber of 7.62.  I prefer the 7.62x25 round for this pistol.  I just wondered if the barrel change was all that was required.

Century Arms sold out rather quick, so for now, Gunbroker, gun shows, et al are the only choices for obtaining one that I know of.

Best regards,      

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Re: Future Cz52s
« Reply #20 on: July 09, 2010, 02:01:44 AM »
"Gents, there seems to be quite a bit of confusion about the direction of barrel conversion in this thread.  The question posed was 9mm to 7.62x25, not 7.62x25 to 9mm.  My original question was if I found a 9mm version (which SarCo Inc had for sale recently as 2009) what would it entail to convert it back to the original caliber of 7.62"?  All it requires is a 7.62x25mm barrel and it swaps out as easily as assembly and disassembly.

Nakota:  the CZ52 is/was chambered in its original cartridge, the 7.62x25mm.  9mm barrels became available and changing caliber became popular when some thought the 7.62x25mm ammo supply would dry up or that some 7.62x25mm ammo was too hot for the pistols and there was tons of 9mm surplus hanging around.

I don't know about the CZ52s but my Tok prints about 6-8" higher than point of aim at 25m when shooting 9mm.  I s'pose it  would drop back on down a bit at 50m but I prefer the impact of the 7.62x25mm at 50 yds over the 9mm impact at 50 yds - seems a bit heavier.........
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Re: Future Cz52s
« Reply #21 on: July 28, 2010, 12:44:33 PM »
Mikey, I agree that the Cz-52 was orginally produced in 7.62x25 Tokarev, but the original Czech design was for 9mm Luger.  The Soviets convinced the Czechs that it was better to produce their new service pistol in 7.62x25 Tokarev, just like the rest of the Warsaw Pact countries.
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