Another primer ?

[PHATINJUN]

is a small pistol primer closer to a remington 6 1/2 than say a winchester SR.or any of the other sr primers for the 223 I got many CCI500 small pistol primers and can not find any stock on the 6 1/2 rem what I do find I will not buy as they want half the farm for them. I just want to try and duplicate the 22Hornet load that was tested in the latest Varmint Hunter mag. It sounded like the remington 6 1/2 primers may be the key to the 30 gr Varmint Grenade with 13gr of Lilgun doing 3100fps out of a 1-16 twist bbl without any case problems . What say you? Kurt

[Lloyd Smale]

I was told once by a rep from cci that there small pistol mag and small rifle standard are the same primers in differnt packages. If i was going to run the hornet up to that level i wouldnt fool with standard small pistol primers. Just for a side note the hands down best primer ive found for the hornet is the cci small rifle standard match. Im not one that puts alot of store in match primers but in the case of the hornet with its very small case a inconsistant primer flame can make a big differnce in accuracy. Problem is that there not easy to find right now. Ive had good luck with fed match primers in it too but the cci does edge it out in about every load i use in the hornet.

[stimpylu32]

Kurt

I have been having real good luck using CCI 500 small pistol primers in my Hornet , using both H110 and IMR 4227 , ( Thanks to LaOtto222 ) they have been doing better than even the Rem 7 1/2 sr-br that I had been using .

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[PHATINJUN]

Thanks guys from the reading I did on the testing that was done the author seemed to put a lot of stock in the fact that they were rem 6 1/2 primers saying that the 7 1/2 were and this is not a quote but how I read it being just a tad to powerful and giving the bullet a bump just before powder ignition. Kind of like they claimed the 25acp conversion was doing in the ML's. All I have ever loaded for the SR is the 204 and the 223 and used winchesters for them but now have several K of the Selior Bellots and hope they match good for my PD loads. The Hornet has mostly shot factory ammo to collect the brass plus I got a couple hundred new brass and only about 50 rounds of factory stuff left so I want to see what i can do with this smoking 30gr varmint grenade load. If it works good I may be able to see the "pop splat" in the scope like I can with the 204. Kurt

[LaOtto222]

H110 and W 296 actually performs better than Lil'Gun with light bullets. I not only got higher velocity, but I got better accuracy too. I used a load right out of Speer manual #14. The only difference was they used their 33 grain bullet and I used a 34 grain MidSouth Varmint Nightmare. They have a heavier load of W296/H110 with CCI 500 primers than anyone else. The starting load is Winchester cases, CCI 500 primers (standard small pistol), 12.4 grains of W296/H110 and their 33 grain bullet seated to 1.680" OA for 3198 fps - H110 and 3054fps - W296. Max load of 12.8 H110 - 3229 fps and 12.8 W296 - 3217 fps. Notice there is only .4 grains between the starting load and the max load. There is a warning that says to only use the CCI 500 primer. They said they could get higher velocities with small pistol primers than small rifle primers (within safe pressure limits) and if you are going to use small rifle primers to reduce the powder load. I have been using the starting load with very good velocity (around 3100 fps 24" barrel), good accuracy and at least seemingly low pressure. At least the cases do not show signs of pressure and the primers do not flatten out a lot and my velocity was near what the book said I should get. It did so well that I did not even try any thing other than the starting load - so I do not know if it will do better at a heavier powder load; and I wanted to keep pressure as low as possible - to maximize case life. I think the key to using W296 or H110 is to nearly fill the case. Using small pistol primers and 12.4 grains 296/110 you can come close. BTW 14.0C grains of Lil'Gun (max load) gets you 3093 fps - a starting load of W296 and not even a starting load of H110. I would suspect the gap would be even larger with a 30 grain bullet. Good Luck and Good Shooting

[PHATINJUN]

Thanks for the replies. Kurt