Drug Tests

[Squib]

wareagleguy , 100 years age drugs were not illegal. Hell cocain was an ingredient in that great cola ,coke! No drug use was not as prevalent as now. There also were a lot less people.
   I think they should legalize all the drugs and let the dumb bass--- kill them selves. But they should still test and keep the dumb a-holes from being in a position to cause harm to people.
                                  Beerbelly

beerbelly pretty much said it, just keep them from operating heavy machinery and sensitive equipment on the job, leave it legal and optional, let them succeed or poison themselves to death....  oh, let's not forget that people who are sober still make negligent mistakes too.  the issue is clouded, everyone thinks it's a moral issue about how we can "get them" but it's really the progressives trying to make the communist paradise a reality (everyone has rules that keep them in line like a lemming so pain and death are all but impossible in the utopia of their dreams).  high, drunk or just stupid- sh** happens and we'll sometimes see the innocent pay for it.  don't blame the drugs, blame the people.

[Squib]

emotion versus logic, just like the gun control issue (are YOU a democrat?  do you think like one- you might if you support government pushing you into progressively controlled behavior).

[SM Bob]

Hell, anymore you have to pass a drug test just to get a job bagging groceries. Why should politicians
and welfare recipients not have to do the same as well.

                                     Robert

[squirrellluck]

Unless things have changed our military pee in a cup. Why should welfare recips be treated special after all they are being paid with our money too.

[jimster]

I think most agree that drug tests feel pretty darn invasive, guess the problem is most private companies now want this before they hire, and maybe random testings on some jobs.  Not sure about the military, they own you, including your body.  If it has to be this way it does make us feel better when all employees including the execs get tested, some places do this, some don't. Would make us all feel better if all public offices did this too,  I bet a lot of government employees would fail. I don't have much to worry about taking a drug test, but I don't feel good about it, feels like a violation of some kind.
I'd feel better about it if they would have probable cause to test, due to a foul up on my part.  Far as welfare recips, I would imagine they feel violated as well, and not all of them want to be on welfare either.  Somehow I just get the feeling we lose freedoms a bit at a time, and I'm sitting here thinking how long it will be before they can come into my home and make sure "I'm ok"....see a bottle of my favorite spiced rum and give me a test right there on the spot to see how much I may have consumed.  Doesn't seem that far fetched anymore. 

[wareagleguy]

Why do folks not understand that a company asking for the test is fine but while Uncle Sam asking is VERY BAD.  We need to keep the government out of our lives.  There is no need for testing of any kind from the government.  You are asking for trouble when you start down this road.  If you don't like people on the government dole then change the laws.

[Squib]

war eagle... they keep saying that everyone else gets one, so the scum and elite should too

don't they realize that the scum and the elite aren't the targets of societal control, that they're just drumming up support for more invasion of privacy?  my lemming analogy again....

[beerbelly]

 There is no need for testing of any kind from the government.

Do you want to turn that 16 year old loose on the road with out a drivers test?
                        Beerbelly

[Squib]

do you realize that the kid can still operate a car without a license, that an adult that has his/her license revoked can still drive, that a responsible person can make a stupid choice or just not pay attention and cause a wreck?

from what I've heard, kids/16 could buy guns no problem until the sixties (and since they had that responsibility among others, they weren't pathetic like people are oftentimes now) yet now people need to be 21 to buy handguns.... did the next generation inherit some retard gene or is it just psychologically weak due to too much coddling?  that's all that happens to society when big government steps in.  people will always deviate from the system and it cannot be stopped, what WILL happen is more spineless people taking more bs. 

[wareagleguy]

Beer,
Ever hear of a book called 1984? READ IT!!

This is the kind of world you want.  Not me.  I want to keep what little liberty I still have, thank you.

[gypsyman]

Even the govt. makes it's employee's take drug tests. So, according to some of you, as long as a person is living off the govt. teat, you should be given the liberty of getting free money and taking drugs too. I'm looking at this all wrong. Where do I sign up. Do I get money for my booze? If I get pulled over driving, do I get a ''get out of jail'' card, as long as I'm on the govt. dole. Where's my flat screen TV? As long as I have some money for drugs, since I don't know any drug dealers that take food stamps or cards, does that mean that my housing is paid for to?
As long as a person takes govt. aid, conditions must be set. And, as far as I'm concerned, drug tests should be one of them. If you have money for drugs, you don't need aid. As a matter of fact, if it was up to me, if a healthy person takes govt. aid, they should make them go to work. Fix potholes,cut grass, shovel snow, janitor in public buildings. Bring back the work programs of the '30's. Bet the union boys will have fun with that idea. gypsyman

[Buck-Ridge]

 I've been taking drug tests for years so I could work and make a living for my family and a living for the parasites that suck up the wealth of the working class. I'm all for drug testing everybody that works for or gets a check from the government. Illicit drug use and the corruption it carries with it is one of the biggest problems in this country. It'll never pass because so many powerful people are making money form it.

[SHOOTALL]

Do ya'll really believe the testing won't be corrupted ? look at Weal;fare as example itself .
It will just cost tax payers more money with no results .

[yellowtail3]

We reciently had a congressman in our state introduce a bill to require welfairites to take drug tests, also the bill would have required our senators and represenitives to do the same. Needless to say it didn't get very far. I was just wondering what everyones thoughts are on this subject.

my thoughts are that it is none of the gov't business what a man smokes or drinks. None.

Good on the congressman for requiring his fellows be subject to the law they'd pass; that's a rarity.