Misfires

[jpred1]

I had same promblem last year.2 clicks of the hammer on an encore pistol in 7-08.Shot 2 boxes od 410 rounds through another barrel and even checked my scope with 2 shots of my hunting rounds. Winchester Sumpremes, well about an hour ago , click ,nothin, twice on an nice deer. Are centerfire rifle cartridges harder to ignite the primer than an 410 shotshell?Planning on trying new box of shells tom.

[Bigeasy]

Hi Tom

Some commercial primers are supposed to be a little harder then others, though I have never had a problem with any.

The only problem I ever had was military surplus .308's in my Kimber bolt action.  Sometimes they would fire, sometimes not.  They were 100% in my HK 91.

I would suggest trying a different brand of ammo.  You want 100% reliability in a hunting load.

Larry

[GameHauler]

Tom,
I was having the same problem with my Contender with my reloads.
If you have a hammer extension take it off as it tends to slow the hammer.
Also if the rounds you are using uses CCI primers they could be the problem
as they are harder than others.
I have deleted both of the above and all is good.
Hope that is some help
Mike

[jpred1]

I have the hammer extension, but it workrd flawlessly with the 410 shotshells, but I will take it off now, kinda hard to cock with goves on because of scope.

[jpred1]

The darn 7mm08 had real good dent in primer, they must be hard to set off.

[ajm]

  Years ago did'nt TC have problems with the hammers not having enough strike to ignite the primers?  It seemed like to me that the contenders had a rimfire/centerfire switch and I cannot remember if that was an issue with it or not.  But the default method of "fixing" the problem was to remove the hammer ext..
  It seems to me that the issue would be with the spring not being strong enough though???  Have you tried consulting TC about this?  It seem like it is a problem of theirs.

ajm

[Hank08]

The problem was the spring.  Call TC and they will send you a new one.  I just replaced one that was doing the same thing.  Works fine now.  There was a big difference in the old spring and the new one.  Was easy to change.
H08

[blhof]

I changed out the spring in mine and still had a problem and called TC; they asked if I had a hammer ext and I did, so I removed it and no more problem.  I never had a problem with the 357max barrel; but I reload all max and use Winchester primers.  The problem was only with the 30/30 barrel, even with reloads with Winchester primers. The new spring was definitely stronger than the old, but apparently not enough, with the ext. on.  Has worked fine ever since.

[jhalcott]

 I put taller rings on my 30-30 barrel because of the glove problem. I figured I wasn't going to shoot animals at ranges that the scope height would matter any way! I used it often in Northern Maine.Most shots were at less than 150 yards and the gun was well rested.

[bilmac]

Wouldn't a heigher  scope extend your point blank range?

[Ken ONeill]

Yes, it does.

[bilmac]

While on a rifle having a good stockweld is important, on a pistol up to a point a higher sccope would be a theoretical advantage.

[huntswithdogs]

I had problems with my Encore not going off also. Removed the extension, it went away. Anybody want an extension, if I can find it?

Oh yeah this was with factory or reloads. My suggestion would be to try shooting the 7mm without the extension. Most all shotgun primers are a lot softer than standard ones.

[jpred1]

Well I shot her a few times with no hiccups, but Im still a lil concerned if the big 10 pointer walks out and click.How can I be sure??? Before the hunt???

[bilmac]

Shoot lots of bullets.

 I had a misfire problem with a Marlin 36 this year, always knew the rifle was fussy but thought I had it fixed, then this year I had two or three misfires in a row while a deer was opening the range and I was getting more and more frustrated. When the gun finally did go bang it wasn't a pretty shot.

I think I've found the problem, the rear fireing pin was battered, so I peened it back into shape. Now I have to be sure I fixed it. What I intend to do is shoot the gun a lot before I trust it again. I am going to play around with some mid velocity cast bullet loads,  maybe even take it to the prairie dog town. Then maybe I'll try to make some expanding cast bullet loads. I have lots of shooting planned for it this summer, the only way to know in my mind. 

[Mikey]

bilmac:  if you 'peened' the rear of the firing pin back into shape it will 'peen' itself right back out of shape without too much of an effort and most likely just by the very next time you want to take another shot at at deer. 

Get a new firing pin and fix the gun.  Firing pins are pretty inexpensive and I think yiou could probably replace it yourself - the bolt on those Marlin 36s can be removed easily and I'm certain replacing the firing pin is not a major piece of work.  JMTCW.  Mikey.

[Redhawk1]

I had the same problem, the problem was the hammer extension. I don't use them any longer.

[bilmac]

The rear part of the two piece fireing pin is the problem, it must be soft. The gun hasn't been fired that much, it was my dad's. This is a model 36 not 336 so finding a new one is not going to be easy, if I do find a factory replacement it will probably be soft too. I'm hopeing maybe a 336 pin will work or can be modified. The one in my M95 looks to be better made.

[jpred1]

My problem is the hammer extension, same one I had on my older frame that worked well before someone stole it. I had swaped to my 45/410 barrel and removed the extension before it was stolen. Still need a stronger spring, its a brand new or was , frame encore.

[DANNY-L]

I always use cci large rifle primers in my 7-30 waters,I am the second owner (purchased from brother) also use cci small rifle primers for my 223 Rem. its always had a hammer extension, not a single misfire, to me it sounds like the spring is the problem.

[crash87]

Never had a problem with the 7X30 waters, until I put the hammer ext. on it. Taking it off seems to have been a fix to the problem for sometime. Yes a new spring will also solve it and apparently T/C is aware of it. Also, CCI has had a bad rap for their primers being hard, I am to believe, at one time, this was true, But they then went and did a revamp on their quality control and spec's, revamping everything. I believe I got this from one of their old manuals, but can't be sure. CRASH87
   At one time, not to long ago, a lot of the experts told shooters not to use CCI primers in their handguns, because, of the cups being to hard. NOW, those same experts are using them and not having problems. Could it be that they are now using the only thing or could it be anything they can get? Go figure. CRASH87

[Lloyd Smale]

like was said get rid of the extension and it would help to use only fed primers or ammo as there cups are a bit softer. Another problem with tcs is headspacing. For my hunting ammo i will only used once fired brass (fired in that particular gun) and then neck sized only.

[PA-Joe]

Are you certain that you are holding the trigger all of the way back until after it has fired. Sometime you can let the trigger go too early and the hammer plate will drop out of the way.