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Offline 243wright

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scope and mounts for a heavy kicker?
« on: March 12, 2010, 04:57:27 PM »
Im looking to mount a scope on a BC barrel that i will be shooting some hot loaded rounds through. If everything works well I may ream the barrel and shoot hotter loads. Ayway I want something that will hold up well. Any suggestions on rings and which base to use or a single piece mount? Also any suggestions on a scope? I was considering a redfield but I dont know. Thanks
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Re: scope and mounts for a heavy kicker?
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2010, 05:06:59 PM »
A Nikon Prostaff 2-7X32 in a set of Weaver rings and a Weaver base can handle anything.
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Re: scope and mounts for a heavy kicker?
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2010, 05:07:45 PM »
What kind of budget are you looking at? Hard to beat Leupold Mark 4 rings and bases...if you can afford them. I like Weaver Quad-lock rings.
I have handled one of the new 3-9x40 Redfields with the BDC reticle and it was very clear and bright, but I haven't got a clue about recoil tolerance. They are supposed to be made by leupold, so I would think they would handle anything your shoulder can take.
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Re: scope and mounts for a heavy kicker?
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2010, 05:11:04 PM »
I have been using a Simmons AETEC (old style-pre MASTER SERIES) 2.5x10x44 in high weaver rings for several years with no problems at all.



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Re: scope and mounts for a heavy kicker?
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2010, 05:23:22 PM »
Low Leupold PRW rings are about as good as you can get for strength and cost, The Nikon Prostaff shotgun scope Swampie mentioned is good as is the Nikon Omega scope which has 5" of eye relief, the Omega is in low PRWs on my SS 45-70 Ultra, I shoot Ruger loads in it. I use the H&R base, but if you want a stronger base, one of the Warne steel bases is an option.

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Re: scope and mounts for a heavy kicker?
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2010, 06:06:49 PM »


After looking at the Warne bases and Maxima rings..I think this is what I am going to use if I ever scope my 45-70 barrel..Even over my much loved Leupold rings..These are some excellent rings and I really like how well they fit the Warne bases..Scopes are a tougher call..The Omegas are exceptional..and I like them a-lot too with their long eye relief..but the Leupold VX-1's and VX-2's non critical eye box is superb..and their eye relief is more than enough for me even with the heaviest of 45-70 loads..The Nikon Pro-staff is a very good scope too..and has held up good for a lot of people.. You really need to go and look thru them at a store on a try stock..and see which one suits you best for what you want to spend..

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Re: scope and mounts for a heavy kicker?
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2010, 06:16:02 PM »
I finally found a use for the Weaver windage adjustable rings for my 20-06.  They are wider (longer) than standard rings, the cap has 4 screws and the rings have a square on the bottom that fits in the square slot in the bases.  These are very sturdy rings, I may even like them more than the Burris Z rings I normally use.  Price is really good also, I paid under $20.00 for them.  Larry
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Re: scope and mounts for a heavy kicker?
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2010, 09:45:17 PM »
Leupold dual dovetail rings / bases.  Leupold scopes are as strong as any, better then most.

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Re: scope and mounts for a heavy kicker?
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2010, 01:11:15 AM »
The Nikon Prostaff seems to be about the only scope that will stand up to the .500S&W for any length of time.  It will kill a Buris in 30-40 shots.  I wouldn't waste the money on a Leupold but it's your money.
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Re: scope and mounts for a heavy kicker?
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2010, 01:49:22 AM »
OH Swampie...you kidder... ::) ::)

I agree with Tim. The Leupold PRW's are damn strong and along with the Warne Maxima's get my vote for the best. (Within reason) Obviously, the MK4 Leupys ARE stronger but IMHO with the Lil factory handi screws, unless you upgrade them in size and number Mounting the MK4's on a handi is an exercise in futility.  ;D

If you feel you need more, I again agree with Tim and suggest a steel base with the Leupy or Maxima rings.

I have a set of each of the Maxima and PRW's on my 500 and 45/70's not just on Handis either!! My Marlin and Browning 45/70s both wear PRW's in Leupold scopes. The Marlin and the Browning digest many heavy 2100fps, 400 grain loads every season. Countless thousands of rounds thru the years and much to Swampies dismay... nary a problem with Leupold scopes.  ;D ::) ;)

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Re: scope and mounts for a heavy kicker?
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2010, 01:54:38 AM »
My only dismay is that people pay $300.00 to $400.00 for a $100.00 scope.
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Re: scope and mounts for a heavy kicker?
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2010, 07:52:21 AM »
Quote from: Swampman on March 13, 2010, 01:11:15 AM
The Nikon Prostaff seems to be about the only scope that will stand up to the .500S&W for any length of time.  It will kill a Buris in 30-40 shots.  I wouldn't waste the money on a Leupold but it's your money.

Swampman..

I have some 45-70 loads that will knock you on you butt cause they are just as stout as some 458 Win Mag..and the cheapest Leupold VX-1 will take it and not fail..I know this for a fact..I've owned several of them..so..Not all Leupold's are a waste of money bro..and I've had Burris hold up just as well with these loads..My normal 45-70 hunting loads with the 300 garin bullet is 2450fps-2550 fps..and my 405 WLNGC bullets are screaming over 2100fps and have been pushed higher..I've never had a Leupold or Burris fail yet..

Nikon's are usually good scopes too..but they aren't the end of the story as far as scopes are concerned..there are many of them out there that hold up well now-a-days..

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Re: scope and mounts for a heavy kicker?
« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2010, 09:02:32 AM »
Like I said why spend $300-$400 on a scope that's as good as a $100 Nikon?
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Re: scope and mounts for a heavy kicker?
« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2010, 10:34:38 AM »
Quote from: Swampman on March 13, 2010, 09:02:32 AM
Like I said why spend $300-$400 on a scope that's as good as a $100 Nikon?

I respectively disagree on being as good. I've had a few cheap scopes and currently use more expensive scopes. The optics quality and adjustment repeatability is superior (my personal experience) in the expensive scopes. If you really want to see what your missing pick up a Swarovski Z6 and take a peek, after that humbling experience you think that you've previously been looking through a paper towel tube covered with Saran Wrap on both ends.........
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Re: scope and mounts for a heavy kicker?
« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2010, 11:04:53 AM »
A very wise member here once said, "I cannot afford not to go with a Leupold." (Or a close facsimile there of  ::) ;) )

Words I'll not soon forget...

There are many good scopes out there, Leupold simply fills my needs for the $$ I'm willing to spend. Don't forget the USED market!!! I wouldn't be able to afford the numbers I own where it not for used scopes!!

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Re: scope and mounts for a heavy kicker?
« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2010, 11:24:01 AM »
Quote from: blacksan on March 13, 2010, 10:34:38 AM
Quote from: Swampman on March 13, 2010, 09:02:32 AM
Like I said why spend $300-$400 on a scope that's as good as a $100 Nikon?

I respectively disagree on being as good. I've had a few cheap scopes and currently use more expensive scopes. The optics quality and adjustment repeatability is superior (my personal experience) in the expensive scopes. If you really want to see what your missing pick up a Swarovski Z6 and take a peek, after that humbling experience you think that you've previously been looking through a paper towel tube covered with Saran Wrap on both ends.........

I've carefully examined all the european scopes.  I'm really unimpressed to say the least.  All the lenses compe from the same place.  I'd rather have a Bushnell or a Nikon.
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Re: scope and mounts for a heavy kicker?
« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2010, 02:27:29 PM »
Quote from: Swampman on March 13, 2010, 11:24:01 AM
Quote from: blacksan on March 13, 2010, 10:34:38 AM
Quote from: Swampman on March 13, 2010, 09:02:32 AM
Like I said why spend $300-$400 on a scope that's as good as a $100 Nikon?

I respectively disagree on being as good. I've had a few cheap scopes and currently use more expensive scopes. The optics quality and adjustment repeatability is superior (my personal experience) in the expensive scopes. If you really want to see what your missing pick up a Swarovski Z6 and take a peek, after that humbling experience you think that you've previously been looking through a paper towel tube covered with Saran Wrap on both ends.........

I've carefully examined all the european scopes.  I'm really unimpressed to say the least.  All the lenses compe from the same place.  I'd rather have a Bushnell or a Nikon.
OK Swampy...I'll bite...Where do all the lens come from for the likes of Swarovski Kahles Meopta Zeiss and Schmidt & Bender come from..? I'll give you a hint...they ain't from the same place..

While your preference of the Nikon is admirable..you really don't know much about the others except they cost more..

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