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Offline bobg

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« on: March 04, 2010, 06:44:01 AM »
   What is the great attraction to the 223?  I have owned two or three and could never see what it would do that i couldn't do with my 222.
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Re: 223
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2010, 07:02:11 AM »
I think everyone who enjoys firearms, whether punching paper or hunting, needs a centerfire .22 cal.  I think the attraction to the .223 Rem are all the factory and mil-surplus ammo choices. 
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Re: 223
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2010, 07:41:33 AM »
 ;) I am sure what made the .223 like the 308, and 06 was the large amt. of govt. ammo at a cheap price...here in the west the cheap ammo price for the .223 made prairie dog shooters out of everyone...before only a few of us used center fires on dogs...the rest shot at them occasionally with the common .22, but it really is limited in range..with the advent of the .223 and cheap ammo, the p. dogs really have taken a hit...it is interesting Elmer Keith felt it would not be a great success, since .222 was so well entrench in the varmit clan..He was wrong on that one...It has only been maybe 10 years or so that I have mess with the .223, before, I was a .222 man all the way...but my shooting pal keep bugging me to try one. I finally bought one, it was  not accurate at all compared to the .222...so I finally put a custom barrel on it now it is a real tack driver, but except that I usually pick up a couple hundred fired cases at the range each season, it is no better for my uses for it than the .222...
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Re: 223
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2010, 07:47:29 AM »
No doubt, I was a diehard 222 fan until it started getting harder to get brass. My barrel started being just a bit less accurate than it was when I started shooting it so the rebarrel went to a 223. Same accuracy and the same velocity with a 5 grain heavier bullet. Lots of brass. I never look back unless i'm mulling my youthful days in the field.
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Re: 223
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2010, 08:02:19 AM »
While the 222 is more accurate, like the 308 is more accurate than the 30-06, it is one of those on paper things and does not show up at the range.
The 222 is a great round, my Uncle Ron hunted many white tails in NY with it when I was growning up.
With the Black Rifle explosion of the last 30 years the 223 has won the popularity contest and if you walk into to a gun shop you have at least 4 choices of 223 ammo  ranging from 45 grains to 70 grains with many different styles of projectiles, and if they have any 222 you will have at best one loading.
Had Eugene Stoner and Nato opted for 222 in stead of 223.  It would be the dominate round.  Much like anything if the military adopts it, it will be popular with sportsmen and hunters.
And no one mentioned the 222 Rem Mag in this either.
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Re: 223
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2010, 09:12:06 AM »
Took me a long time before I got a 223 and I've never been overly impressed but I must say the 223AI is a nice caliber and I've got acouple of them.  I don't own a 223 I like shooting the 222 better so thats what I use instead.
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Re: 223
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2010, 09:13:58 AM »
  I owned a 222 Rem. Mag. Used it for more years than i care to admit. Probably the most accurate rifle i ever owned. I needed new brass and couldn't find it any place. I traded it for a Winchester in 223. What a mistake. My uncle hunted deer with a 222 for years. It was the only rifle he owned. My grandfather told me he watched him kill two deer one morning on the other side of the road from his house. Old gramps showed me where the deer were standing. I swear they would have been 300 Yards away.
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Re: 223
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2010, 09:26:16 AM »
   Guess i will just stick with my 22-250. I bought the first laminated stocked heavy barreled Ruger to hit the dealers shelves around here. I have made kill shots with it that my chuck hunting buddy said were impossible. He wouldn't even try it. Oh Yeah. He was shooting a 223. ;D
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Re: 223
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2010, 12:40:51 PM »
Quote from: bobg on March 04, 2010, 09:26:16 AM
   Guess i will just stick with my 22-250. I bought the first laminated stocked heavy barreled Ruger to hit the dealers shelves around here. I have made kill shots with it that my chuck hunting buddy said were impossible. He wouldn't even try it. Oh Yeah. He was shooting a 223. ;D

I can do the same to 22-250 users with my 25-06AI, esp. in the wind & so on. If you have a 222 & 22-250,
you would not "need" a 223, but I would never consider a 222 to replace my 223, to each his own.
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Re: 223
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2010, 01:26:14 PM »
I have the .222 and .223 as well as .22-250. The .222 is a classic round and I love to shoot it. The .223 is a bit more powerful and is the practical choice for anyone purchasing a new rifle today. I have had my .222's a long time. The .22-250 is in an entirely different class - a real long range thumper. You can rechamber a .222 to .223 if the magazine is long enough. You can make .222 cases from .223. Lots of options here. I like them all for different reasons.
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Re: 223
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2010, 02:00:44 PM »
Quote from: bobg on March 04, 2010, 09:13:58 AM
  I owned a 222 Rem. Mag. Used it for more years than i care to admit. Probably the most accurate rifle i ever owned. I needed new brass and couldn't find it any place. I traded it for a Winchester in 223. What a mistake. My uncle hunted deer with a 222 for years. It was the only rifle he owned. My grandfather told me he watched him kill two deer one morning on the other side of the road from his house. Old gramps showed me where the deer were standing. I swear they would have been 300 Yards away.
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Too bad because you could use 204 Ruger brass for your 222 Remington Magnum today.  I like the 222 Remington and 223 Remington equally, since brass can be made from one to the other.  I own a T/C Encore 24" rifle barrel in 223 Remington since its a cheaper find then a 222 Remington and pretty much equal to any 222 Remington Magnum.  The 22-250 Remington is a perfect varmint cartridge and fill all the niches that a 220 Swift could think of conquering.

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Re: 223
« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2010, 03:00:46 PM »
My Rem 700 222 received a rechambering from a 223 reamer, and I never looked back!   The 222 didn't do anything that I couldn't do with a 223 and less hassle with the brass.  I did it back in the 1980's, when you couldn't receive reloading supplies through the mail.

I must have 8,000 rounds through that rifle and it still shoots into a dime.
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Re: 223
« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2010, 04:22:53 PM »
 8) While I like all the calibers mentioned, as far as the Swift, if I would have known in the 70's when i was making my varmit rifles that I could put a Swift on a 700 action, I would have never looked back at the .22-250..The Swift is known as the king of varmiters and for good reason..I have shot more coyotes with less rounds from my Swift than any of my .22-250's It is one heck of a caliber...
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Re: 223
« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2010, 05:28:54 PM »
Quote from: shotgun31 on March 04, 2010, 03:00:46 PM
My Rem 700 222 received a rechambering from a 223 reamer, and I never looked back!   The 222 didn't do anything that I couldn't do with a 223 and less hassle with the brass.  I did it back in the 1980's, when you couldn't receive reloading supplies through the mail.

I must have 8,000 rounds through that rifle and it still shoots into a dime.
Shotgun 

Makes good sense to me!!
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