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Magnum primers in standard rounds etc.
« on: March 23, 2010, 06:13:15 AM »
I have been reloading for a very long time and like to experiment.  I have noticed that in some manuals they recommend magnum primers with ball powders in calibers from 22-250 to .308.  My most accurate load in the .308 is using win 748 with a standard primer.  The book however, recommends magnum primers.  If a standard primer does not give adequate ignition I would not expect it to give me my most accurate load.  Has anyone tried magnum primers with these powders and seen any difference?

I have often heard people say that changing primers can change group size.  Out of curiosity, I loaded my pet .308 load with three different primers.  CCI 200, CCI BR2, and Win LR.  This load always shoots under .4 inch.  With three different primers it still shoots under .4 inch.  No difference in group size whatsoever.  All I can do is scratch my head and say huh?...........

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Re: Magnum primers in standard rounds etc.
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2010, 06:53:50 AM »
Many many years ago I worked up a load for my 25-06 with H414,Speer manual recommended using a mag primer with it. I didnt. After experiencing hang fires with the loads I changed over to a mag primer just to see if there was a difference. Viola,this load shoots 3 into 1/4 of an in on a regular basis. I havent changed a thing since those first groups,and it still just keeps driving tacks. I use mag primers with ALL BALL POWDERS now.

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Re: Magnum primers in standard rounds etc.
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2010, 07:07:57 AM »
I asked that question before in this thread maybe this will help.

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,178133.0.html
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Re: Magnum primers in standard rounds etc.
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2010, 07:16:27 AM »
Reloading is not an exact science - unfortunately. The proper primer is determined by a few different factors. How hard is the powder to ignite, what is your load density, what temperatures are you going to using them in. If you have a ball powder, with a high density load (compressed for instance) and you are going to be shooting when it is cold out, you better have a hot primer. On the other hand if your are at 90% load density and shooting in warm weather, a primer that is less hot may give you more consistent ignition.....or not  ::)
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Re: Magnum primers in standard rounds etc.
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2010, 08:31:14 AM »
I guess the short answer is maybe it makes a difference sometimes.  I have not experienced any hangfires or accuracy issues using ball powder in any of my rifles.  It does get very cold here in the winter and have not experienced any problems then either.  If I ever get a hangfire or accuracy issues I will try a magnum primer.  For now I am going with the if it ain't broke don't fix it rule......  My best friend always hunts with a .375 H&H and in 50 years has never used a magnum primer and never had an issue.  I do use magnums in my 300 win mag just to be safe though.  Just for kicks I think I will use some magnum primers with win 748 in my 22-250 and see what happens... ;-)

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Re: Magnum primers in standard rounds etc.
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2010, 08:34:48 AM »
I guess the only thing I would add would be to start low and work up to max loads watching for pressure signs. If you use mag primers in standard cases.
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Re: Magnum primers in standard rounds etc.
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2010, 08:37:44 AM »
It made about an inch difference in that old 25-06 20 years ago. Just remember to  back off your load and work back up. Good luck. I even use mag primers in my 223 when I load H 335. And yeah it shoots sweet too.

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Re: Magnum primers in standard rounds etc.
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2010, 01:03:11 PM »
I ran out of large rifle primers, and the only ones I could find were Remmy magnums.  I have worked up loads for all my rounds with them.  Good accuracy and no problems.  As noted above, don't use old load workups.  Start new with low loads and work up again.

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Re: Magnum primers in standard rounds etc.
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2010, 09:44:34 AM »
Tried the magnums today.  Pressure increased and velocity increased by 20fps average.  Accuracy was slightly worse with the magnum primers.  Going to try a different load the next nice day we have.

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Re: Magnum primers in standard rounds etc.
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2010, 07:02:29 AM »
Question:  Which primers are better?
Answer:  It depends.........on a LOT of stuff.

A buddy and I were shooting 357SM revolvers in competition.  I ordered the guns from the manufacturor and they were consecutive serial numbers.  Since the guns were on the way, we put in an order for our components.  We had the same lot of brass, same lot of powder, and same lot of cast bullets....he cast the bullets.  We buy in bulk so all of the components were the same....except the primers.  I was using Remington 7 1/2 SR primers.  He was using WSR primers.  We both worked up loads and got a load that shot well in our own revolver.  We ended up going to the range on the same day and compared notes.  His load chronographed within 50 fps of mine.  His load of powder was a full 3.0 grains more than mine.  Again, the only difference was the primer.

I shoot another competition pistol using H335 powder.  I worked up my load and was getting a good 1" consistent 10 shot group at 100 yards.  Primers were on sale, but they were a different brand than what i normally use.  I decided to try different primers to see if any difference in the accuracy.  3 different primers, same load, same gun.  Three distinct groups at 100 yards.  1.5", 1.0", and one .5" group with one flier that opened it up to about .75".  Those primers were Federal 205M, Remington 7 1/2, and WSR.  I immediately knew I wasn't going to buy the Federal primers that were on sale for this specific load.  I also found out my cheaper WSR primers gave a better group than the Rem 7 1/2s that I had been using.

My buddy has been using WLP primers and H4227 in his 41 mag.  He couldn't find any WLP primers so he picked up some CCI LP Mag primers.  He worked back up to his load and powder charge is same with either primer.  Go figure.

I have a load for my 7x30 waters using WW748 powder.  I was using Rem 9 1/2 primers and have 5 shots under MOA out to 200 meters.  I was out of the 9 1/2 primers, but did have a carton of the 9 1/2M primers.  I am well under Max book load so shouldn't make a lot of difference, right?   Flattened primers and groups near 3" at 100 yards.  BIG mistake on my part.

You can pull up 4 reloading manuals and likely get 4 opinions on powder/primer combos for specific bullet weights.  You will likely have several full grain differences in Max book loads for same bullet weight.  Now add humidity differences, elevation differences, temperature differences and other factor that effect ignition and pressures and you will be hard pressed to achieve the same results as any one of the books.

Too many variables.  You have to work up your load for your gun.  You can use the books as a resource, but that is ALL they are....a resource to help get you started.  You have to work with your reloading until you find the powder/primer/brass/bullet combination that works in YOUR gun.

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