No difference between parties ?

[jimster]

The thing that burns me up is when the republican party tries to tell me I need to move closer to the center and somehow be more moderate.  They just don't get that they need me more than I need them, even losing their seats they still don't seem to get it.  I understand how a third party is going to always have a hard time getting into the game, we all understand that.

The message the republicans need to get is they are not in power because of real conservatives, and we can keep it that way for as long as it takes them to see things our way.  I'm not seeing them recognize this fact a whole lot yet, and Sara Palin who I had high hopes for must not be getting it either as I think she decided to stand by McCain....this is a huge mistake for her and the republican party.  It could very well put them in the minority for a number of years to come...because evidently, they do not know how serious we are yet about this stuff.  Conservatives are serious enough to push all we have off the cliff all at once...they better be paying attention to just how serious we are. 

The old Dem party is dead without conservatives, they used to have SOME conservatives...and so is the republican party. Neither party could survive without us....only the "new Dem" party will be in power.
That will send us all off the cliff....and I for one would just as soon see it happen, if it
has not happened already.  Just to make a point.  I have had about enough of this game of politics and parties.  I need some representation. 
 

[Oldshooter]

I've been trying to figger this Palin /Mccain thing out. Best I can tell she is trying to be loyal to the GOP. Which I also think is a mistake! Looks like the the whole political "cast bullet" may be fouling her barrel. Sad! She was looking promising there for 15 minutes!

[beerbelly]

The thing that burns me up is when the republican party tries to tell me I need to move closer to the center and somehow be more moderate.  They just don't get that they need me more than I need them, even losing their seats they still don't seem to get it.

.You are right my friend, they just don't seem to get it! I think they have given up on the  Conservative
movement. They believe the can get more people elected if they are moderate! They want desperately to regain the majority and return to power, but they still as yet have not learned they can not win with out us! Maybe they will wise up, but I doubt it.
                                                          Beerbelly

[ironglow]

  I believe Sarah is simply paying back an old debt by helping JM out..no doubt, id JD Haywoprth takes the primary,  she will be campaigning for him..
      looks like the Republicans are being moved back toward conservatism..from the outside. The tea party has the Republicans listening and some of them reacting to their message. Assuming most here according to their pronouncements, would be like those involved in the tea party (individual rights, limited govt, smaller debt, less taxes, personal responsibility etc) I must ask...Just how much has the Democrat party listened to the tea party ? It seems all the Democrats have tried to do is lie about, smear and ridicule the Tea Party's belief in those core principles !!!
  Voting choice, if one is honest, is rather simple. Federally,  each of us have a congressman and two senators to vote for or against. It is very easy to find out where each one stands..by the way they have voted in the past.
  Here is a website that simply tells us how each has voted on measures that came before them: http://www.ontheissues.org/default.htm
    Just click onto the homepage, then click onto one of the red buttons across the top (e.g. House..Senate etc) you can find just how they voted and compare what their opponent has espoused in the past.
   Ignoring "parties"...vote for the most consistantly conservative one..or throw your vote away...
 
     BTW: That website is worth putting in your "Favorites: column..it can enable you to straighten out misinformation...even on this forum.

    Again;   http://www.ontheissues.org/default.htm

[Dee]

I also believe that Sarah is merely paying back McCain for an old debt. After all, that's what politicians do. They "pay each other back" for old debts. Wonder what the debt was?

[skarke]

On another post, GB asked me for whom I recommend we gather support.  I've thought about it since, because there are a whole lot of machine politicians falling in to the RINO croud.

That said, I've decided that I am indeed seeking support for the Republican ticket, with this caveat: support begins NOW!!!!  If you don't want RINOs in the party as your only choice for the "lesser of two evils", and prefer hard conservatives and traditionalists, then get thee off of thine duff and work the primaries.  If there has ever been a better time to bring the Republican Party back home, and defeat IN THE PRIMARIES the RINOs, I've not seen it in my lifetime.

Quit moaning.  If you can't find you local Republican Party, send me a PM, I'll find it for you.  The only thing that I ask is that we educate ourselves, and don't stand silent when your socialist friends, family, neighbors, school teachers, etc are spreading their lies.

[Oldshooter]

Thanks skarke, that was an excellent post and a great Idea as well!

Especially this part!

then get thee off of thine duff and work the primaries.  If there has ever been a better time to bring the Republican Party back home,

[45-70.gov]

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,204154.new.html#new

see this thread

GB  has an excellent  post

[ironglow]

 45/70 Gov;
      GB was totally correct. For those who think both are the same, read this article I just posted under "For liberals who"..
  Here is a subject which should be dear to all on this forum.  http://www.thesadtruthis.com/sb/index.php?/archives/78-United-Nations-Obama-Administration-to-Back-Gun-Control-via-N.W.O..html
   Complain abot George W. Bush all you want, but he protected ouir 2nd amendment from the ravening wolves at the U.N...
  Now this colossal mistake in  the oval office wants to undermine our gun rights by a sneaky process of circumventing our Constitution !
   Of course, the 2nd amendment is not the only Constitutional rights he wants to destroy..

[Dee]

I find it astonishing that everyone has so quickly FORGOTTON, H.R.2038 the ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN AND LAW ENFORCEMENT PROTECTION ACT OF 2003, aka "THE CLINTON ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN". Bush pushed hard for Congress and the Senate-to RENEW this expiring legislation PROMISING TO SIGN IT INTO "PERMANENT LAW". Congress had learned it's lesson and refused, but G.W. drew heat from every gun group over that move. Protected our 2nd Amendment rights? I think not.
And then his push to pass the PATRIOT ACT, which BY PASSES THE CONSTITUTION, and which was passed with out being read, much like the Health Care Bill, and his single handed bailout thru executive order of the auto industry before he left office.
Jaded eyes.

[skarke]

Dee, I haven't forgotten, and most certainly you have a valid point.  In which way would we have greater success than by purging the Republican Party of such OWO RINOS and supporting true conservatives at the Party and Caucus level?

I am pretty much a Libertarian, with certain ackowledgements.  But, I also know that the Libertarian Party has NO chance of holding major office, so I choose to support the most ardent conservatives available at my local party level.  If it were permitted in Texas, I'd do so in BOTH major parties.  We cannot, so it is a really motivated group that I do support and work with within the RP.

[Dee]

Quite honestly sharke, I don't have a solution, and I don't believe anyone else does either. I hear a lot of folks that THINK they do, but the system is pretty much corrupted to the point that it is out of control. I hear the word conservative thrown around constantly, but I see very few people that are ACTUALLY conservative. If they ACTUALLY were, they would never have voted for some of the trash they voted for. Comparing Bush to Obama in my opinion is like comparing Anthrax to Smallpox. Both will kill you, but in a different way.
I have no faith in the voter to ban together, and elect a Conservative because they are already discussing more compromise, just like on this thread. I am left to tolerate it, but not like it, and I intend to vote for the best candidate that is TRULY for the Constitution and the Bill of Rights regardless of his chances of winning. It may not make any sense to anyone else but, at least I can at the end of the day, say that I voted for an honest, good, and patriotic American.
It makes me not one bit of difference whether anyone agrees with me, and I have no intention of debating. It is just like I recently read one whom thinks that we should not vote on our principles. How absurd. If one will not defend ones principles, they must not consider them very important, or legitiment. I am not interested in debate of the issues any longer, and have every faith that the American voter as a whole, will continue their journey to perdition, thru their vehicle of compromise, until there is nothing left to compromise.
It is like the lazy farmer trading his seed for a hamburger. When he has traded it all off, he gets neither the hamburger, or has the seed to plant, and is therefore, no longer a farmer. The American voter collectively, will continue to COMPROMISE,their rights away, until they trade their right to even vote. Then, like the farmer, they will no longer be a voter.jmo

[Graybeard]

I tend to agree Dan. I do think I see a potential solution I just don't see anyone trying to implement it or any other viable solution. Ultimately I think no one will do anything constructive and the fall of this country just as the Roman Empire fell is inevitable.

I fully agree that just changing from D's in control to R's in control and vice versa isn't gonna improve anything. That's not to say that voters can't turn the republicans around at the polls I just don't think they are gonna.

[Dee]

Well not many folks agree with me GB, so the room ain't crowded, you can sit anywhere you want.

[slim rem 7]

while you fellas words have some truth in them.. that ain t the way to keep an preserve freedom..
 freedom is too big a thing to ever give up on trying to preserve..where theres a will theres a way.. we just need remember.. nothing as valuable as individual freedom ,is gonna be won or kept without being willing to earn it..freedom ain t free.with respect.. slim

[Dee]

Well, slim rem 7, I couldn't agree with you more. I fought for other peoples rights for 20 years, and fought their fights for them many times. Why? Because they didn't have the stomach to do it themselves, and wanted someone else to do it for them.
I doubt those folks will change until their hungry and homeless.

[magooch]

Sure, the Republican Party has some squishy politicians in it, but I think by and large they are so much better than the communistic, socialist Dumbycrats, that it isn't even close.  Just because there are a couple of rotten apples in the barrel, doesn't mean you're better off to throw out the whole barrel. 

I don't say this because I consider myself a Republican, but I'm a realist and I know, because I can see what we get when the Republicans lose.  I also don't believe the Republicans lost the Congress because they got too liberal.  I think the uninformed masses didn't like the war on terror and thought the Dumbycrats were the lesser of two evils.  They (the masses) were wrong on both counts.