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Offline broken arrow

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« on: November 07, 2003, 07:33:51 PM »
I am in the market to replace my american knight with something different. It's been a decent rifle, but there are some cool new ones. I want to spend 250.00 or so. How are these break action guns? should I consider the shotgun primers, are Austin & Halleks worth the extra cash? and finally, what about one of the Remingtons?
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« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2003, 07:27:23 AM »
Mr. Arrow,

Let me introduce you to the greatest rifle ever made.  It was tested for years in the Rocky Mountains.  It has accounted for quite a few elk, deer and other varmints since it was introduced.  It has withstood the rigors of horse back hunting, the ability to keep powder dry in the rain and snow, and to fire when necesary - if you do your part.

People were proud to carry such a fine shootin iron.  Made by a man named Hawken.

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« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2003, 09:24:30 AM »
:)   Man, what a long way to go crow-feather........ to say "Go traditional".   :)

Made me chuckle, thanks.   BTW, I go traditional all the way too - have 3 Hawkens now (and a Kentucky).

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« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2003, 11:36:38 AM »
I do like the Hawkens and other traditionals. I would love to own an 1861 Springfield. I just don't want to hunt deer with them. I have a Hawken, I just hate having to use a bullet puller when I can just loosen the breech plug and drop the charge/bullet right out. I also like the fact that the ignition is in line versus a 90 degree angle. Why aren't in lines traditional? Didn't Davey Crockett use an older type in line at the Alamo? I think it was a Knight or something. Thanks for your help. :wink:
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« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2003, 02:57:32 PM »
Broken Arrow,.... Yore kid'n (right?),.. WHY use a "bullet puller", when you can jest "shoot tha darned ball out"????

YEP!!!!... I'll haft'a admit,.... those early inline rifles (that some "inline shooters" always bring up in hopes of a "historical knockout" dur'n a discussion),...... LOOKED EXACTLY LIKE TODAY'S INLINES (plastic stock, "bolts", "break-opens", stainless steel),.... Davey Crockett used an Early "Omega" at the Alamo,.... it was Santa Ana who was use'n an Early "Knight".

Be'ns Santa Ana lived thru the "battle", he went on to invent "plastic" soon after he retired from the military, and he designed some of the first "dash boards" for our modern cars. Thets why, even today, most of our "auto parts" are still made in Mexico.
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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2003, 04:30:47 PM »
the cva optima pro is an awesome rifle around 250 or so

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« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2003, 02:49:42 AM »
Thanks rollingb I new there was a reason we get our parts from Mexico :) , yeah, I was kidding. I think the Hawken rifle is one of the most important firearms in American history. I think Jim Bridger, Brigham Young, and numerous mountain men would agree. It holds a venerable place in American history and I owe it, and the men who wielded it; a debt of gratitude. But it is now relegated to it's rightful place in history. I like modern, in line muzzle loading rifles. It's just a preference. Both of my hunting partners use side hammers and use them well. But we can't just "shoot the bullet out" sometimes. We have removed the nippile, poured in powder and tried it that way, we have used the pneumatic method and have spent numerous caps in hopes it would "touch-off".....no dice. the powder was a little moist from hunting in a driving rain (we surmised) We used a bullet puller and after extensive effort were finally able to extract the load. The next day, it killed a fine 10 pointer. I think the advances in muzzleloading benefit the deer and shooter alike. If I were a civil war reenactor I wouldn't use one in the field. But hunting, every time. I'll check out the CVA this evening. I also really like the A&H offerings. They are beautiful, heirloom quality firearms. (I just don't know how they shoot.)
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« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2003, 12:19:40 AM »
Well Broken Arrow if you want the best, most powerful inline on the market today, there is only 1 choice. Get a Savage.