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Offline shannonavah

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What is the difference between the .17 cal's
« on: March 30, 2010, 09:04:28 AM »
I would like to know what the difference is between these caliber's. I think this would be great for my little man. I see there is a 17hmr,17m2, and people talking about a 17 fireball. I have no experience with these rifles but I hear they are accurate and fun to shoot. So any advice will be greatly apreciated. Thanks to all you GBO members for all your help with getting the stuff for my son who won the contest giveaway. You guy's are truly awesome, and godly. A warmful thank's from my heart go's out to you guy's. And may god help protect our troops, and loved ones.
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Re: What is the difference between the .17 cal'a
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2010, 09:11:29 AM »
17 HM2 is a CCi Stinger 22LR case necked to 177.
17 HMR is a 22 mag case necked to .177.
17 Fireball is a 221 fireball case necked to .177.
so difference is really powder capcity.
The Fireall is reloadable as it is a center fire.
and then there is also 17 Remington that is a 223 case necked to 177.
I have a 17HMR an it is great little gun for varmints and I really like it for rockey ground where i do not have to worry about bullets winging off to houses near by that the 22LR is famous for.
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Re: What is the difference between the .17 cal'a
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2010, 09:38:59 AM »
I technical correction...  ;)

Quote from: mcwoodduck on March 30, 2010, 09:11:29 AM
17 HM2 is a CCi Stinger 22LR case necked to 177 .172"
17 HMR is a 22 mag case necked to 177 .172"
17 Fireball is a 221 fireball case necked to 177 .172"
so difference is really powder capcity.
The Fireall is reloadable as it is a center fire.
and then there is also 17 Remington that is a 223 case necked to 177 .172"
I have a 17HMR an it is great little gun for varmints and I really like it for rockey ground where i do not have to worry about bullets winging off to houses near by that the 22LR is famous for.
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Re: What is the difference between the .17 cal'a
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2010, 09:40:40 AM »
Thank you.
It's the .005 that always screws me up.
no wonder my friends will not let me measure or cut when I help them with projects.
 
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Re: What is the difference between the .17 cal'a
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2010, 09:41:36 AM »
Too much airgun talk?  ;D

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Re: What is the difference between the .17 cal'a
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2010, 09:47:07 AM »
Maybe,
I have been thinking of having some .177 barrels made for handi rifles that use a 209 primer to shoot them that would insert into popular Handi calibers like 30-30, 357, 44 and 45-70.
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Re: What is the difference between the .17 cal'a
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2010, 09:51:33 AM »
Well that 17 fireball has now really got my attention. What is the recoil like is it bearable for my son? and do they make ammo in this caliber, or do I have to make my own cases?
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Re: What is the difference between the .17 cal'a
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2010, 09:56:18 AM »
17 Fireball is a centerfire chambering of which H&R doesn't offer, please discuss it in the Centerfire forum, there are numerous discussion on it there including a poll I started for H&R Marketing to have it made, but they chose to not do so.  :-\

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Re: What is the difference between the .17 cal'a
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2010, 12:26:24 PM »
i gave up on the 17 hmr rimfire because i can reload the 204 cheaper and it shoots further.
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Re: What is the difference between the .17 cal'a
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2010, 01:29:44 PM »
I am a confirmed .22RF guy, yet find myself checking out these posts on the .17RFs. Im starting to see some sense in the M2 for accurate 'short range' small varmint control where winging off a bounced .22 might be a bad thing. Seems the .17 tend to disintegrate about where they land.
Yet, for me, the truth is the .22s are the basis for all other shooting, and the levels of performance available today in that chambering is more than enough. If it exceeds 75ish yds I can go to the .22WMR.
Your young fellow will be well served with a good .22LR, and afford to shoot it a lot. Not so economical with the .17s, and there is no substitute for lots of shooting.
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Re: What is the difference between the .17 cal'a
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2010, 08:30:48 AM »
My dad was going to replce his old 22lr with a new one. I talked him into buying a 17HMR. Now thats all he shoots. Yes it is more expensive but so is anything once you go above a 22lr. While the 22lr is cheaper to shoot. The gap isnt that  much when compared to the 17M2 if your buying anything other than bulk for your 22lr. The performance of the 17M2 is quite a bit more than the 22lr. And from what I see in ammo prices the 17HMR isnt much more than the 22mag for cost of shooting.
To anserw the first posters question a little differently.It sounds like your not to familiar with rifle calibers???/
The 17M2 and the 17HMR are rimfire cartrideges and not reloadable.They are the most popular for the general public.They also have to be shot in a gun designed for each one only! You CAN NOT use a 17HMR in a 17M2 or a 17M2 in a 17HMR they require seperate barrels.
17Hm2 has a speed of 2100fps
17HMR has a speed of 2550fps
22lr has a speed of 1200-1600fps depending on the ammo.
If you buy off the internet. You can find 17HMR ammo for around $10-14 and 17Hm2 for $5-8
If its for a young person I would have to agree that a 22lr is the place to start. But if Dad or Mom wants to shoot also a 17HMR or 17Hm2 would be fun gun to have also.
I own both.
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