all schools????

[mo.hunter]

I admit that I am not the sharpist tool in the shed, so could some one on here tell me how this is supposed to work.

I have a neice and nefew, the same grade in school dif. parents. She studys hard makes good grades and is in school every day. He could care less about grades, going to school,and never studys. My confusion is that both of them will be passed to the next grad. HOW? WHAT ARE THEY THINKING? When I was in school if you did not work you were held back. Thanks.

[DDZ]

We can't hurt any students self esteem buy giving them bad grades. Plus passing grades makes it look like all the teachers are doing a wonder job.
Its the same in some schools gym classes where no score is kept in competition. We can't have anyone lose. Give everyone a passing grade and everyone is happy. Government is doing such a outstanding job at schooling our children.     

[Savage .250]

We certainly don`t want to offend anyone.......do we.       Gov`t run schools, an equal opportunity adventure.   

[ironglow]

Now you know why Private, Christian & Home schools are growing every day and why most national spelling bee winners are from one of those three. Now think of this: those parents are sending their children to the first two or teaching them at home....anmd still paying  school taxes !
  The lefdties are continually whining about "fairness", so I ask.."where is the fairness there" ?  Seems if they were to put their money where their collective mouth is, they would be pressing for vouchers !

   ..But of course, this only proves the fact that "fairness" only counts to them in a socialist/Marxist, all-powerful government context.

[slim rem 7]

 to bad it wasn t that way when i was in grammer grades..of course i didn t ever really fail a grade..
 but it was sweat time at the end of the year.
 in truth i don t think ida ever learned good work ethics ,if it had been that way55 yr. ago.
 half the boys in my class was a year older than me..thats the ones, it wuz hardest to whup.
slim

[Hodr]

My brother is a teacher.  "No child left behind" has degenerated to the point in his school district that if they followed all guide lines 90% of funds available would go to less than 18% of students.  Law suits filed to enforce mandated but unfunded programs eaqul 1100% of total valuation of all assests available.  The last few years have amounted to the school district just using delaying tactics.  It's either that or bankruptcy of the district and reorganization.  To make it even better income from property tax revenue is being witheld now by the state he lives in.

blindhari

[Heather]

The Government take over of our Educational system was part of the beginning of the end of our society.  What we have is MANDATED education.  If you are age 7 or over you are REQUIRED to be enrolled in school.  That doesn't sound so bad does it.  Everyone needs an education right? Well in my opinion not ALL people are cut out for school.  Some never aspire to go to college and are content with low paying low thinking jobs.  Why should these types be FORCED to go to school and get a second rate education at best.  You have all heard you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.  Well you can send a child to school, but you can't force them to learn.  Why slow down the ones who do want to be there, to drag along the ones who don't?

My grandmother walked several miles to school to get an education and was the only one of 10 to get a high school diploma.  All 9 of her brothers and sisters never went past primer school and the boys NEVER stepped foot in the door.  They were expected to stay home and tend the farm.  Is my grandmother better off than her siblings.  Nope not really.  Though some of them never opened a book they worked hard and studied their trade and though none of them are wealthy, they have all worked hard and raised large happy families. 

When education was a stepping stone into not having to work so hard for your money those who WANTED that luxury went to school.  They wanted to learn and had a desire and drive to do well in school.  People had a mindset that you couldn't just get something for nothing and those who aspired to live a better life went to school to get better paying jobs.  There were also  people who were willing to work hard for their money and took pride in raising crops and their children.   

 Now days we have a mindset that we deserve this and we deserve that and people dont' appreciate the educational standards because they are forced upon them.  I believe that everyone should have the opportunity to learn, but no one should be forced to.  I believe that everyone should learn to read and write and do basic math; which all can be taught at home without fancy books or computers even though they are abundant in most households.  What is so wrong with people deciding which type of education suits them best?  Oh thats right the Gov't knows best and they think everyone should be taught the same watered down or outright distorted information so that we have a society that is easier to control.

Heather

[okieshooter]

My wife teaches special education. Some of her students need to be there. She has one with down syndrome and a couple with other problems. Most of her class is made up of students that are simply too lazy to keep up with the other children. Letting them do the work that is actually intended for the special students allows them to be lazy and still have passing grades. This is not by her choice but the way the system works now. She worked at a school where the entire ball team was in her class for math to stay eligible to play. Pretty sad really. Some of these boys went to high school unable to read but they got runner-up at the state tournament.

[SHOOTALL]

When i was a teacher in public schools ( plumbing class ) i was not allowed to fail a student . Guess that sums it up .

[ironglow]

My wife teaches special education. Some of her students need to be there. She has one with down syndrome and a couple with other problems. Most of her class is made up of students that are simply too lazy to keep up with the other children. Letting them do the work that is actually intended for the special students allows them to be lazy and still have passing grades. This is not by her choice but the way the system works now. She worked at a school where the entire ball team was in her class for math to stay eligible to play. Pretty sad really. Some of these boys went to high school unable to read but they got runner-up at the state tournament.

  Okie;
  Your wife obviously has a conscience and knows which ones should get the extra help and which ones should have a kick in the butt..however, they can't do that.
  The school admin doesn't mind putting the lazies in special ed..the school gets more money for each special ed student , don't they ?

[GRIMJIM]

I was talking to a friend that is involved in the public school system here in the Chicagoland area. He said that even if a kid makes it all the way through highschool, graduates, that student will not have enough credits to go to college.

That floored me.

[mo.hunter]

How the heck do they think that all these kids are going to compete for the few jobs out there? they cannot print enough money to take care of the problem that I see coming in the very near future. NO JOB, NO MONEY, NO DRIVE, Hey Ill Just take yours! OH! by the way you can keep the job, Ill just take what I want. And you dont scare me old man, I am a bad *** xbox zombie killer!

[okieshooter]

  Okie;
  Your wife obviously has a conscience and knows which ones should get the extra help and which ones should have a kick in the butt..however, they can't do that.
  The school admin doesn't mind putting the lazies in special ed..the school gets more money for each special ed student , don't they ?
[/quote]

Yes I believe the school gets XXX amount of $$$ for each student that requires special treatment. Never really looked at it this way but we are already paying there way and will be from now on for most of them won't we?? A child (or adult) with a physical illness does not bother me to help, I feel everyone should help the elderly but it is almost to the point even I could make more money if I quit my job. I have to much pride to not work as long as I am able. The first few years I was married we ate a LOT of venison. The game warden knew it but could not catch me in the act. He chewed on me one day and said if I was that bad off I needed to sign up for welfare or food stamps or something. I told him as long as I could fend for myself I would not put the responsibility on others. For the record I have not poached a deer in 10 years or longer but if times get too hard again I am capable of it with 4 kids at home.

[williamlayton]

You can't make someone be not lazy.
You can't even beat lazy out of someone.
Let's look at this from end results:
It will become self evident that the person is not prepared and is unemployable, except at the most menial level.
He is liminting hisownself--it is his choice and he is doing it.
If the parents cannot be an inspiration--why are you putting that responibility on a school.
If you fail them until they are 17 in the 9th grade--what is the difference.
Some may grow up and it is never too late--but it is harder.
Why are we even discussing something that will not change.
I know--I know---you just want them too be something they are not mature enough to grasp.
Welcome too life.
Blessings

[ironglow]

  Another little money-grabbing trick I have been informed of...
   Some youngsters need a little more concentrated attention by the teacher to "get them rolling". Once started, they progress just fine.
  Some unscrupulous administrators however, unless the parent is concerned and observant, will quickly slap these kids into "special education" classes; thereby sucking up more taxpayer dollars.
   For some kids, just being  placed in "special ed" classes when even they know it wasn't needed,.....is such a downer that they just go ahead and commence "playing the game"....