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[mrussel]

Posted by: mrussel:  if money is an issue,a 9mm is alot better than a 45 OR a 380 as far as controllability because the ammo is a lot cheaper,so your going to be able to practice more and get better at using it.

I guess I'm the odd-ball.  Since I've never shot a .380, I can't attest to its control-ablility.  On the other hand ~To me the .45 1911 doesn't have the sharp recoil, nor the deafing report as does the S&W 5906 9mm.   A choice between the two, the .45 wins, hands down.  

 What I was getting at is,380 is on the smaller end,or 32acp for that matter. All other things being equal,something small like a 32acp is going to be really controllable. I can unload 9 rounds almost as fast as I can pull the trigger and make a decent group. Some people say 45 is a little much for them. I dont agree,in fact I carry a 1911,but some people say that. Actually,many years ago when I bought my first handgun,I tried many different ones and settled on a Browning Hi Power. (A decision Ive never regretted,it was and is a fine gun. You may notice the pattern here of classic single action autos.) I found that I was much more accurate with 9mm in general than 45. After some years of practice and experience that changed,and the 1911 turned out to be more accurate,so I went with that instead.

 My overall point however was,you can get a box of 9mm for around 10 dollars at Walmart. 45 can cost twice that. 380 and 32 are also very expensive. I certainly wouldst recommend someone go with 32 as a self defense round,especially since all those tiny guns that come in 32 usually come in 380 as well, but the point is these smaller calibers actually cost MORE than 9mm or even 45 sometimes. (in fact,that's what started me down the road to reloading. Most local stores were out of 32 and those that had it wanted crazy prices.) My point is, if practice and skill are more important than caliber,then if your on a budget 9mm beats out most others just because its cheap and commonly available. In fact,there is a gun store in town that has surplus 9mm for about 7 dollars for 50.

[FourBee]

 

Posted by: mrussel :   My point is, if practice and skill are more important than caliber, - - -

No disagreement about ammo expenses, just my preference.  My llittle 5'4" 130# wife has no qualms about 9mm control-ability.  She makes rapid fire accuracy look like a walk in the park.   Now she wants to show me how she can handle a GI 1911 .45. 

[mrussel]

Posted by: mrussel :   My point is, if practice and skill are more important than caliber, - - -

No disagreement about ammo expenses, just my preference.  My llittle 5'4" 130# wife has no qualms about 9mm control-ability.  She makes rapid fire accuracy look like a walk in the park.   Now she wants to show me how she can handle a GI 1911 .45.  

 I was looking up info about the Hi-Point 9mm,thinking that for 140 dollars,it might be fun to get one,but the one thing I cant get past is the Zamak slide. I have an old lathe with Zamak gears and while they are great on the lathe (if you crash the cross slide cutting a screw,it just takes a tooth off a gear,or breaks the Zamak bracket at the tail end,rather than damaging something important) but it just seems like a problem to me. Not only that,its made out of Zamak 3,which is about 20% weaker than the more expensive Zamak 2.

 I guess if I got sick of it,I could allways throw the slide in some phosphoric acid until it dissolves,heat it up and then zinc parkerize some of my guns that have badly worn finishes.  

[gray-wolf]

It's been said that I say what I think, so why change now Eh.
To call that a 1911 is like stacking up 4 tires and calling it a car.
                   Sorry but that is one ugly thing.  IMHO

[mrussel]

but you need to expect some real heat from some of us 1911 advocates when it comes to High Points; but hey, even guys who use Sigs and Glocks get heat from the guys who prefer the 1911 style pistol, so you are in good company.  

 Mikey said the Hi Point was in the same class as Sigs and Glocks. WOW!!   (Talk about some serious spin!)