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Offline DSchmeck

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Cronic rust problem with new S.S. Encore
« on: November 25, 2003, 07:18:53 AM »
I have had this pistol for only 3 weeks.  When I purchased it, had a tiny bit of rust on receiver.  They didn't have any other frames in stock and I needed it right then.  I thought this would be easy to get rid of.  I tried super fine steel wool and oil, didn't get rid of it completely.  I have cleaned this gun religiously but I keep getting more of these tiny rust spots even on the barrel.  Any recommendations...

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« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2003, 11:16:03 AM »
After you get it clean use " Mil-Tec " then it will not rust . Where you at in MN???   Are you Deer hunting?

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« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2003, 11:33:35 AM »
And SS ain't SUPPOSED to be a rust problem! It sounds like, to me, you may have some sort of contamination on it. With any sort of reasonable care, SS shouldn't rust. The first thing I would do, is to stop using steel wool. It leaves very small particles of iron, and that could be initiating the rust. What might work, is to scrub/brush the whole thing out with HOT soapy water, followed by a boiling water rinse. Heck, boil the whole thing in soapy water, if you can! After it dries (only a couple minutes), do a complete spray using something like Berrymans, or brake cleaner. Doing both should remove whatever is causing the rust to start. Finally, while it is still relatively warm, I would spray the whole thing down with a synthetic oil... Something like Mobil 1 should do fine. Finally wipe/blow the whole thing down to remove the excess oil, and use your regular lube on the hinge pin. I'll bet this will cure your problem. In the future, should you need to remove rust, swipe your wife's well-used Scotchbrite scrubbing pad, from the kitchen sink. They work just like steel wool, but the used ones are much more gentle. And they leave no iron residue to start rust! I hate steel wool, just for that reason.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bug.
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« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2003, 12:25:20 PM »
I believe Bug has it right. You are probably compounding the problem using steel wool.  KN

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« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2003, 12:45:15 PM »
:idea3: bug sounds like he has a good idea. might ought to listen to him.

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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2003, 03:40:51 PM »
I've only used the steel wool a little the last time I cleaned it.  I won't use it again... this was the advice of the gunsmith at a sporting goods superstore.  Thanks for the replies I'll try them.  Moon, I live in Lino Lakes, twenty miles from Minneapolis/St. Paul.  Yes I'm deer hunting but the gun season ended a week and a half ago where I hunt in MN.  Now I'm gun hunting the Wisconsin season during the weekends and back to bowhunting MN. during the week.

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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2003, 03:53:38 PM »
Use extra fine stainless steel wool. It's available at Brownell's.

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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2003, 04:48:27 PM »
I noticed a bit of rust on my SS bbl underneath the front sight. It wasn't the SS but the sight had rusted some and left spots on the finish. The finish on the SS encores and bbls isn't bare Stainless anyway. It appears to be a spray on coating like what Ruger uses on the SRH.  On my first bbl it had overspray down into the bore and was a bugger to get out. Almost like a electroplating or Hot coat.

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« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2003, 02:29:47 AM »
Duffy,
  To my knowlege, SS is exactly that - stainless steel! You might have an Armor Alloy barrel, which IS a coating. And, requires reaming of the pivot pin hole, to work with SS or blue frames. Someone please correct me, if I am wrong! But, that's the way I understand it to be.>>>>>Bug.
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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2003, 05:13:58 AM »
I've run into the same problem on my ss Encore frame. Seems it was always trying to develop small rust spots. The best way I've found to remove them is a product called Flitz. The best way I have found to stop the rusting is to put a coat of auto polish on the gun. Since I did that my rusting problems have vanished.

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« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2003, 10:47:21 AM »
Yes Flitz is great stuff. Unfortunately, it will only work on minor surface rust.

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« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2003, 03:50:44 PM »
Seems I have heard or read that Stainless steel barrels and guns have some regular steel in them to make them show up easyer in airport security checks.  This is why they do rust when stainless steel forks and spoons don't.

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SS steel
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2003, 07:39:28 PM »
The only ss steel that won't rust is surgical, and guns ain't. Clean it good and use motor oil- for $.90 you'll have a lifetime supply. Been using it for 30 years and no rust even when stored in the cabinet for ten years or so.  Pat

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« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2003, 05:24:15 PM »
*Many different terms and trade names have been applied to corrosion-resistant steels. "Stainless Steel" is a term commonly used to indicate any or all rustless steels or iron alloys designed to resist atmospheric corrosion and resistance to high temperature corrosion. However "Stainless Steel" is strictly a trade name, originally applied to cutlery steels containing no more than .70% carbon and from 9-16 % chromium which were patented in 1916 by the english metallurgist Brearley, and the genuine "stainless Steel" produced in this country is a straight chrome-iron alloy made under pats owned by the American SS Co. in Pittsburgh.

Many Stainless Steels contain Carbon, Manganese
Selenium, Chromium and Nickel. The Chromium and nickel give it the corrosion resistance plus other propertys. By varying these elements and others the corrosion resistance, toughness and machinability is also changed to meet the needs.


*copied from 22nd machinery handbook.

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« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2003, 01:20:53 AM »
As Duffy put it, there are many different grades of stainless steel. I used to be employeed at a welding product manufacturer and we marketed grades of stainless steel electrodes that were magnetic and did rust. However, we also made grades that would withstand the test of time and still not rust. Regarding the theory about it being an Armour Alloy barrel, they are Contender specific and not even produced any longer so rule that out. It seems that T/C has made some major quality compromises over the recent years and one might be their choice in steel grades for barrels and frames. I personally, would hunt this season with it and do nothing other than wipe it down with a silicone(doesn't gum up). If it is rusty after hunting season, I would send it back to T/C for replacement. Use a magnifying glass and scratch a small "X" on an area that wouldn't be noticed to asure yourself it WAS replaced.
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« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2003, 02:22:41 AM »
I had the same problem with a Contender stainless frame and a couple of my barrels.  I solved it by cleaning it real good with hot soapy water, spraying the whole thing down with Chemtool, and then giving it a good drying with a hair dryer.  Then I went to Wallyworld and bought gray and rust colored primer and flat black heat paint.  I primed the barrel and frame then cammoed the whole thing using leaves I pulled off of a pin oak in my front yard.  This was 2 years ago and so far, no paint bubbles or other signs of rusting under the paint.  If the paint gets worn, I just give the worn spots another shot of paint.  Plus the more it is painted, the better it looks.

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« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2003, 01:42:42 AM »
Duffy stated the "finish isn't bare stainless steel, but a spray-on coating"
I mis-read this to mean he meant it was a coating on ferrous steel. As you state "Regarding the theory about it being an Armour Alloy barrel, they are Contender specific and not even produced any longer so rule that out." That is correct. My bad, and please accept my humble apologies. There could be any number of finishes applied to stainless steel, in an effort to keep it from rusting. I guess I just wasn't thinking.>>>>Bug.
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« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2003, 05:20:52 AM »
Bug;
After really, really close examination I can't pinpoint what they do on the SS bbls and frame. Under a magnafier it has a bead blasted look but if you compare the color of the chamber (more grey silver) to the exterior (a whiter silver) it looks like they blasted it and coated it with somthing. The other reason I mentioned it was that down in the bore when the bbl was brand new I could see spatter like overspray of a more silvery subtance. On the sides where the bbl rubs on the frame it's a darker color.

Who knows, just as long as it goes bang and sends the bullet in the right direction and doesn't fall apart! :)