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Did you ever wonder...
« on: June 17, 2010, 01:02:22 PM »
  Have you ever wondered why northeastern coyotes are larger & likely more aggressive than others ? Pennsylvania game comm says it is because they have wolf genes.  http://www.ammoland.com/2010/02/08/getting-close-enough-to-take-an-eastern-coyote/

   Outdoor life (Feb 2010) says NY DEC has scientifically tested and has come to the same conclusion.
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Re: Did you ever wonder...
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2010, 03:47:41 PM »
  I have noticed that. The last one i seen was very big. It was chasing a doe across a field. The guy down the road from me said he saw one take down a fawn last year. By the time he could get his gun and get acrossed the road it run. He said he heard it out there that night after dark. This is the first time i have heard about the wolf genes.

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Re: Did you ever wonder...
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2010, 04:10:57 PM »
what ever happened to the red wolf?were they in the carolinas and virgina?are they extinct?could it be that yur small game population has deteriorated to the point where coyotes have evolved to live on larger game therefore needing the physique to do it?

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Re: Did you ever wonder...
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2010, 04:30:32 PM »
Up here in St.Lawrence co. I've seen wolves along with many many others but the DEC claims there are no wolves around here. We get the same story about the cougars.

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Re: Did you ever wonder...
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2010, 03:17:14 AM »
Danny:  EnCon will tellya there are no wolves in NYS, except for the pair of 75 pounders taken near Glens Falls a couple of years ago or the ones spotted further south in the Adirondack Park, or that whatever fefw you might see have simply travelled down from Canada, and EnCon's famed pathologist, Ward Stone, will testify that all coyotes, dogs and wolves share similar dna.  This may be true to some degree but beyond that I think he is one lyin' sob. 

Gawd forbid he actually tells the truth about wolves and cougar coming back into nys because some shumer or gillibrand politician will raise the concern about wolves interbreeding with pit bulls to generate a new breed of man-eating pit wolf or something and everybody will start shooting their neighbor's poodles and local police will be executing pit bulls, Rotts and Dobes on the streets.

The truth is that for about the last 150 years or so the smaller eastern coyote has interbred with the Canadian Grey Wolf and has produced a much larger coyote, with some alpha males weighing up to 65 lbs. I have taken them in the 45-55 lba range and my neighbor has taken a big male he weighed at 65 lbs.  Not a wolf, but a coyote - not the same skull structure and musculature as the wolf, but a really big coyote.  One of my other neighbors is firm on identifying a Canadian Grey Wolf he saw in the neighborhood. 

If you intend to shoot them then you have to keep your rifle handy.  This is the season when Whitetail drop their fawns and the coyotes and wolves will wait until the mother is birthing, then run in on the mother and kill it and take the living fawn back to the den for the pups to practice killing and eating.  I like to bait the coyotes and drop them from a distance.  I've been asked by a farming neighbor to sit by his barn while his cows are calving because the coyotes come right to the barn door to see what they can get - this makes them very easy targets, but ya gotta be ready for them.  jmtcw.

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Re: Did you ever wonder...
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2010, 06:38:43 PM »
Down by the St. Lawrence River and in northern Jefferson County, there is both coyotes and wolves. I have seen both and heard both at night. The coyotes that I have "dealt" with have a "redish" tint to their hair, while the wolf is more "greyish" colored and larger. The wolf appears more often during the day than the coyote, and will stand and look at you while the coyote usually runs.
Mikey is right about the skull appearing different between the two. A squealing rabbit call usually works for me to bring them in.
There are cougers and bobcats in the perch river area from Stone Mills to Rt. 12, and north towards Lafargeville. If the DEC would get off their butts they could see them also.
We had a moose that the DEC captured and killed by cutting off its antlers for a souvenir. DEC's track record is dismal at best. They are arrogant...... etc. I won't go there.

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Re: Did you ever wonder...
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2010, 02:53:39 AM »
Hermit - the coyotes we have seen and harvested in this part of the state don't seem to carry the reddish tint you mentioned but there are soooo very many possible combinations of coloration that anything is possible.  Most of those we harvest here are grey and fawn or grey or grey and black.  My huntin' buddy took 4 last season, two of the later coloration and one each of the others, and we both saw another but it was too far for a shot.  The last one he took was the leader of a pack of four.  My farming neighbor counted 19 of them mousing in a large field he had just cut, one full pack of each coloration mentioned.  That's just way too many, period. 

Every year we get some dumb young Moose bull in the area who starts hanging around cattle herds or back yards.  When EnCon finally gets off its butt to do something it is only because the Moose has usually already taken down dozens of clotheslines while walking through back yards and everybody is whizzed that everyone else in the neighborhood gets a eyefull of their undies, so EnCon is called into action.  They most often tranquilize the Moose, remove the antlers and let him go elsewhere; haven't lost one to the dinner table yet....  I agree with yoru assessment of DEC.

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Re: Did you ever wonder...
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2010, 04:52:40 PM »
2 years ago, a motorcycle hit a moose about 20 minutes from Albany. They have been identified within 50 miles of NYC. I don't believe in cougars. If you see one, shoot it or run it over. That is proof. Quite a few coyotes were spotted in NYC this year. On the Columbia University campus, in Central Park, in a parking garage near Wall street. I believe that at least a few were captured. The one near Wall street was tracked by several pedestrians who were Twittering sightings including pictures.

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Re: Did you ever wonder...
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2010, 07:05:14 PM »
  Past Saturday night, a "Mercy Flight" chopper landed in a nearby truck co parking lot. They were there to pick up a cyclist who hit a deer on a side road just a couple miles from my house. Although there were 2 aboard the bike, only one rode the chopper.
  The victims were a married couple (22 years)..he rode the chopper with a terribly mangled face, she was dead at the scene with a broken neck.
  Many local riders stay off local roads, especially secondary ones at night, because our deer population is so high.
If you don't want the truth, don't ask me.  If you want something sugar coated...go eat a donut !  (anon)

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Re: Did you ever wonder...
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2010, 03:23:35 AM »
The DEC definately has some hidden agendas, they are not public about. In the 90's I lived in the Bronx, where we had several hundred acres of parks. The park was infested with rats at night because of the trash. They cleaned p the trash and the rats didn't leave with it. The DEC released coyotes to kill the rats. It worked, until people starting spotting coyotes (not just 1). The DEC denied coyotes living in the area, until an issue of field and stream reported one was killed off the NYS Thruway (10 miles north of Manhattan!)

I have also seen cougers in Pawling NY, seen them in person, see there tracks and scat. I asked a DEC warden about shooting one. He said none existed, but if one did, don't shoot it. I said if there is no season listed in our state, and if none existed, what is prohibiting me from shooting. Never got an answer on that.


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Re: Did you ever wonder...
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2010, 04:09:37 PM »
The answer to that one is simple. If there is not a specific season allowing the taking of an animal, it is protected. All critters are protected unless an open season is specified for it.
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