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Shooting with Junior
« on: July 08, 2010, 09:38:28 AM »
I went to Tullos, LA today to see my old friend, Junior.  Many of you know him or have read his work.  He had some target ammo loaded for his broken rifle, Ole Bill and wanted to see how it would shoot in the .30-30 Handi.

My Handi has a 1:10 twist microgroove barrel.  Junior had loaded some ammo a couple of years ago with the Lyman 311041 out of an old Lyman iron mold.  He had loaded it with 1.9 cc of IMR 4895 and estimated the velocity at something like 1750 fps.

So, with rifle and ammo in hand, Junior cranked up his benchrest, a Dodge pickup truck and parked it at the firing line.  Understand, we're shooting in his front yard.  His little home range is about 73 yards from firing line to target butt.  He placed a piece of rough-cut lumber to use as a firing bench and set up across the bed of his pickup truck.



Junior's Ole Bill ammo shot just fine in this rifle, averaging just under an inch at 73 yards.  Don't let anyone tell you that a microgroove barrel won't shoot cast bullets.  They shot just fine.  I was pleasantly surprised at how well they shot, as was Junior.  He had convinced himself that the twist was too fast for that bullet.

I had some .30-30 ammo I had loaded, using the Speer 130 flat point bullet, over 33.5 grains of Reloder 15.  That load shot exceedingly well also, well under an inch at 73 yards.

So, now I have to decide if I want to use this Handi as a cast bullet rifle, or zero it for the 130 load.

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Re: Shooting with Junior
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2010, 11:29:47 AM »
Well I would think if your Juniors friend you would have to go with the cast lead bullets. I am sure they will wo the job and I am also sure that will keep Jumior happy. His work is very interesting and enjoyable to read, please tell him thanks for me....<><....:)
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Re: Shooting with Junior
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2010, 02:08:42 AM »
Why/how did Junior take a sledge hammer to his rifle?

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Re: Shooting with Junior
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2010, 03:54:33 AM »
Why/how did Junior take a sledge hammer to his rifle?

Well, I'll let Junior tell you in his words. 
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The front mag tube hanger cracked after ~200,000 rounds, and some fool thought it was dovetailed to the barrel and tried to drive it out.  It wouldn't drive, so the fool got a bigger hammer.  It still wouldn't drive, so the fool got a sledgehammer.  It drove.  Pieces went everywhere.  Turns out it was welded in, not driven in.....

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Re: Shooting with Junior
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2010, 05:18:40 AM »
Now that is entertaining!!!!!!!!!!!
I have been guilty of similiar experiments.
I read your blog everyday & enjoy it immensley, keep up the good writing.
Please ask Junior & company for some more articles on the Frugal Outdoorsman.
I'm still waiting impatiently for your handirifle article.

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Re: Shooting with Junior
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2010, 08:24:34 AM »
Now that is entertaining!!!!!!!!!!!
I have been guilty of similiar experiments.
I read your blog everyday & enjoy it immensley, keep up the good writing.
Please ask Junior & company for some more articles on the Frugal Outdoorsman.
I'm still waiting impatiently for your handirifle article.

Thanks for the kind words.  The shooting yesterday gave me the last data I needed for the article.  I finished the first draft this morning and sent it out for editing.  In several days, I'll digest the critique and do a re-write, plus go through my photo files and add pictures.

Writing is a process and if I don't use the process, I'll get a crappy product.  The article is coming, but I want it to be as good as it deserves to be.

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Re: Shooting with Junior
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2010, 02:28:52 PM »
Sweet, Junior's article on the .45-70 blackpowder, is what finally settled me on getting one.  I'd considered handy rifles for years, but that tipped the cart.  I now have my .45 colt to match my Ruger New Model Blackhawk and the BC .45-70.  I love them, so pass on my appreciation for his article. ;)
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also classics: M903 9-shot Target .22 Revolver, 1926 .410 Single, 1915 38 S&W Break top Revolver and 7-shot H&R Trapper .22 6" bbl.


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Re: Shooting with Junior - UPdate with new link
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2010, 12:26:30 PM »
Junior's been having problems with his computer, and we've been working through it, but if you guys would like to see the submitted draft of the Handi-Rifle article, it's available online here.

It'll stay on my server till Junior can get his problems solved, then it will move over to the Castbullet server.

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Re: Shooting with Junior
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2010, 02:33:37 PM »
Woot, will read it as soon as I finish reading here!  ;D  Thank-you!
Tacklebury --}>>>>>    Multi-Barrel: .223 Superlite, 7mm-08 22", .30-40 Krag M158, .357 Maximum 16-1/4 HB, .45 Colt, .45-70 22" irons, 32" .45-70 Peeps, 12 Ga. 3-1/2 w/ Chokes, .410 Smooth slugger, .45 Cal Muzzy, .50 Cal Muzzy, .58 Cal Muzzy

also classics: M903 9-shot Target .22 Revolver, 1926 .410 Single, 1915 38 S&W Break top Revolver and 7-shot H&R Trapper .22 6" bbl.


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Re: Shooting with Junior
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2010, 02:40:59 PM »
Nice article Dennis, thanks to you and Junior!!  ;)

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Re: Shooting with Junior
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2010, 05:31:04 AM »
I enjoyed the read too.  Thanks.

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Re: Shooting with Junior
« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2010, 05:57:46 AM »
Pawpaw,

I like Junior's bench rest shooting style, but I think I am a bit chicken to try it with a 45/120. ;D

On the indexed slugs are they all from the same mould?

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Re: Shooting with Junior
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2010, 06:13:05 AM »
Pawpaw,

On the indexed slugs are they all from the same mould?

BB

Yes, they are.  Indexing cast bullets is one way to make sure that you're giving your loads the maximum opportunity for accuracy.  On a multiple bullet mold, you can make individual marks in each cavity so that you can identify which bullet dropped from which cavity.  Likewise, there are many methods for marking the cavities.  My preferred marking is to use a small punch and put a single dimple on the driving band.  It's easy to see and when the bullet is fired, the rifling polishes it off.  If I'm going to size the bullet, I use that dimpled mark and put a dab of sharpie-marker ink on the bullet before sizing.   Junior prefers to mark the nose of the bullet.

One caution.  Make the mark very small.  Don't deform the cavity any more than necessary.  It'll stand out like a sore thumb on the newly-cast bullet.