I have 2 Herret style grips, one with thumb rest and one without. After shooting both for a while, I've come to like the one without the best. The grip has just the right curve to fit my hand well and is more comfortable than the "competiitor" style that came with my late model frame. I do have a Pachmayer grip one one of my other frames and while I use it with a 14 inch .35 Rem. barrel, it doesn't really need it. I have it on that frame to match the Choate forend and it allows me to attach a sling for easier carry. Otherwise the Herrets do just fine. I did get a chance to handle the new G2 frame and do like the grip on that one.