Glenn Beck!!.

[billy_56081]

Shootall what's the name of it??

[SHOOTALL]

Lenon's guide to taking over a society . I was in a gun shop and a guy showed it to me , it was in an article in SOF mag. this issue . The article was disturbing really .

[ironglow]

Here is Glenn Beck on VAT, just like Pelosi wants!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYRZgIL-hUk

There is a large difference between what Pelosi wants and what Beck is proposing; don't mischaracterize his statements by simply reading the headline and not watching the whole clip. His VAT is 2% for 10 years, directly into the deficit, with requirements of no new spending and a balanced annual budget, all books combined into a single accounting system, and all of it as a constitutional amendment to ensure the expiration date. Pelosi's VAT is higher, with no expiration, and no accountability ... just drop it in the pot in the current accounting system. Just because they both say VAT does not mean they are talking about the same thing.

So let's say you still disagree with the VAT on principle (which I do), what is your solution to the economic crisis of the US?

Oh, and by the way, don't miss the part in the clip where he's telling O'Reilly that America is at a fork in the road - Reset or Restore, and Beck thinks we're heading towards a Reset ... a VAT would fall under Restore. It is refreshing to hear someone who can debate the merits of multiple options intelligently.

   I agree with TN;
  If you listen carefully to what Beck is saying, the VAT he is talking about displaces other taxes, is 2% only..with a "sunset clause" and demanding fiscal restraint.
  Yes; Beck is a showman, all networks use them, just that each has a different schtick..you know, like "perky Katie Couric". the difference between Beck and other types is that he has an excellent grasp of historical context and can identify the devious turns of the political screw..before the enemy  tries them. That's exactly what vexes his antagonists.
   I don't really care for the showmanship, but Beck knows he occasionally has to do something "different", just to get a certain group of mesmerised TV watching robots to pay attention. Commercials do this all the time..how often do you hear your cell phone ring (on TV) during a commercial ? ...got your attention, didn't it !
   I get a chuckle from guys who bemoan just how bad  Hannity, or Beck are for conservatives...then I go to their profiles, click on their own postings, and see how much true conservative they are !
   Beck shouldn't take advice from MSNBC either...

[Dixie Dude]

We studied communism in high school.  Part of requirement to graduate.  The course covered, economics, citizenship, and the threat of communism.  Lenin stated that this was the plan to destroy capitalists countries.  Here are the major points:
1) Get kids interested in alcohol, sex, and drugs.
2) Take over the education system and downplay capitalism and promote socialism, alternative lifestyles.
3) Take over the news media and begin slanted bias against capitalism, God, nationalism, and slant towards socialism, government control or intervention to fix things.  
4) Take over liberal churches and make them promote socialism, liberalism, alternative lifestyles.
5) Finally the society will be ripe for a socialist government to restore order, and ultimately a utopia (from each according to his ability, to each according to his need).

Only problem is human nature, which according to God is sinful.  If I work hard, I want to keep what I worked for.  If I see my co-worker being lazy and not working hard, he shouldn't make what I make or deserve the same as me.  Should a janitor be paid the same as a scientist or engineer?  Who is more valuable to society.  Or a doctor the same as a garbage collector?  Don't work, the Soviet Union found this out.  

Capitalism encourages thought, inovation, invention, rewards hard work.  However it can get out of hand, and that is why there are rules in our economy to avoid this.  It is more efficient and produces more.  

Socialism doesn't produce as much and stagnates economy.  England once had a powerful country and competed with Germany for European and global domination.  After WWII England adapted Socialism.  Germany is more capitalist today and produces much more than England.  Japan adapeted capitalism as well as South Korea, look at them today.  India adapted socialism after WWII and was a backwards starving country until in the 90's they adapted capitalism.  Now they have a growing middle class, have launched satelites, and are building a highway system.  Even look at China.  Socialism under Mao stagnated their country.  Today they have adapted capitalism and are becoming a superpower.  

However capitalism with only a one party rule, can lead to a dictatorship, like Hitler's Germany.  Countries that have socialism like middle eastern countries, sub-Sahara African countries and South American countries have stagnated their economies.  Japan has no natural resources but developed a capitalist economy.  It only stagnated with government interference in the banking system, and socialist spending trying to pump up the economy.  Look at our economy, it is stagnant even after spending trillions of dollars trying to pump it up with government programs.  The government doesn't produce anything.  Capitalism produces.

Government can't solve social problems, never has, never will.  It will either lead to war or suppression of people.  Government can run a military, go to the moon, build dams, railroads, bridges, highways, canals, etc.  But government can't make people less racist, live right, educate themselves, learn trades, or buy medical insurance.  

[SHOOTALL]

Dixie Dude , that was it , thanks . When looking around these days in America do others see these things ?

[ironglow]

Communism, SEIU, Marxism..progressives...all the same thing...

[SHOOTALL]

Funny thing is our country sorted this out in the late 1800's -early 1900's . Guess we forgot as it seems we are repeating the process once more .

[Dixie Dude]

Also, our founding fathers established a 3 part government, legislative, judicial, and executive.  This was supposed to be the checks and balances framework to keep one man or one party from taking over government.  Respect for our system also made it work.  Liberals today don't respect our system of government.  Hopefully we will get the legislative branch back this fall into the lesser of two evils hands.  I think however, Republicans are learning their lesson of not compromising with the left, and sticking to what is right.  Some are anyways. 

[SHOOTALL]

That is true but in my mind we do better when one party does not control both houses and president .

[Gary G]

Anyone here watch Glenn Beck at 5PM each weekday? If not please start.He will let you know just what is going on in the whitehouse, and the political back door bull#$#$%%$ thats been goin on for a long time .pan.

Glenn is learning, but still hung up on propaganda, though he exposes corruption in DC.

Here is DiLorenso's open letter to Glenn Beck (and I concur):

http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo181.html

[skarke]

Good post panman.  I also concur.  A strong Federal government is anathema to freedom.

[mrussel]

You know I do listen and watch Beck from time to time and, yes he is on the front lines against all government BS. not just The Dems either!

I am having a little problem with his transitions from fact to commercial though. He'll be talking about government spending and the deficit and the recession and will go into a "Gold" commercial. Its the same thing with some other sponsors. I keep wondering if he is selling all the time or what! I'm not putting him down for making a living, I just wonder if he might get sponsors that don't benefit from his rants.

To me its hurting his credibility!

Its not that I dont watch and listen I just cant consistantly due to those reasons. Sometimes I have to just tune out. Maybe its just me.

 Those gold sellers are scammers. There are legitimate ways to invest in precious metals,but those are not it. Its a scam that will have you paying dollars on the penny for something thats supposed to be an investment. They will always end up making tons of money,and you will ALLWAYS end up losing. Investing in commodities like gold is risky enough,because companies that NEED gold (like for semiconductor manufacturing etc) will buy it to use it,or will pay for the right to buy it at a price that they can live with,to hedge their bets against the price going through the roof. In any event,Glen Beck is complicit in the scam. He has NO credibility. I dont see how anyone can see him as some sort of altruistic hero fighting against the evil government. Hes in it for him. Telling conservatives what they want to hear makes him alot of money and gives him a platform to shill for his sponsors like the gold scam artists. If that dried up it wouldn't surprise me to see him talking about the evil government that is oppressing the proletariat and how the workers should rise up and put an end to bourgeoisie capitalists,while selling homeopathy cures and over priced windmill generators. I really doubt he cares so long as hes raking in the cash. He has no credibility left to hurt,he just knows how to tell people what they want to hear. (Its the first rule of a con man,tell people what they want to hear and they will usually believe you)

[mrussel]

Not much of a fan.  I did have a good laugh on his account the other day though thanks to John Stewart and the Daily show...

Figgers!  Hard to be a fan of both.

 Not really,I know plenty of very conservatives who find John Stewart hilarious. He honestly makes fun of anyone who leaves themselves open to it. Yea,he has a seriously liberal bent,but that wont help a liberal that leaves themselves wide open. There are people that cant see the humor in themselves though,and those people will defiantly not like the John Stewart show.

[mrussel]

Also, our founding fathers established a 3 part government, legislative, judicial, and executive.  This was supposed to be the checks and balances framework to keep one man or one party from taking over government.  Respect for our system also made it work.  Liberals today don't respect our system of government.  Hopefully we will get the legislative branch back this fall into the lesser of two evils hands.  I think however, Republicans are learning their lesson of not compromising with the left, and sticking to what is right.  Some are anyways. 

 And conservatives do. Thats a fact. Those liberals have been trying to tear down our way of life for years. Just look at what they did. Monitoring what you read in public libraries. Wiretapping phones without warrants. They have even crossed the boundaries of a civilized society and declared that its OK to torture prisoners. On top of all that they made a power grab to expand the powers of the executive branch and the vice president even had the nerve to suggest that he was neither part of the executive OR legislative branches of government and therefore immune to the laws and rules of both. Those liberals just don't know when to quit.

[ironglow]

mrussel;
   Your points are valid although applicable to both libs and cons, but let's look at the more egregious examples...A) Monitoring what is in public & school libraries..No Bibles, no Christ oriented books and no "politically incorrect" speech. B) Not only wiretapping phones..but sending spy-laptops home with schoolkids. C) Torturing prisoners..no incidents of that on our side; certainly nothing like beheading news reporters or skinning, burning and hanging folks from bridges. D) I must agree that the liberals have tried to expand the power of the executive in a similar "personality-cult" way as with Castro, Stalin,Mao and Hugo Chavez. The congress bows to the chief exec and passes any bill he wants...even without reading it !
   Things unique to the liberal wing are;
 
  1) aims at usurpation of voting rights by attempting to over rule the secret ballot  2) Taking over (nationalization) of private industries and banks. 3) Attempting to abrogate the 1st article of the Bill of rights, through the so-called  "fairness doctrine". 4) Having fought and cost gun owners much capital through their decades long attempts at "gun control" (on that point alone, any gun owner who supports liberals, is a contradiction within themselves). 5) Today's liberals have a unique position of having spent so much and laying on such heavy taxes that they are about to drive this country to bankruptcy. 6) Politically, it is the left alone who are determined to erase the voice of God's people from the public discourse. 7) It is the radical liberals who have foisted the bogus "global warming" scam upon America, greatly damaging our freedoms and commercial enterprizes. It is the left who has introduced "politically correct" speech and brought about a situation where lying about a subject (to them) is preferable to being truthful and honest. 9) They are proficient with interfering in the family, believing THEY should have final say whether a parent may spank an unruly child or allow a school child to say grace over his noon meal.  10) It is they who have done their best to "mainstream" perversion as natural and normal while encouraging promiscuity amomg youngsters by handing out condoms..even to kindergarten children.

   There's 10 items for starters, many more out there..time & space do not permit. Nevertheless, when we speak about encroachment upon individual liberties and constitutional rights...nobody does it like the left, liberals, socialists, Marxists and Communists.
     ...All parts of the same poison...

[powderman]

Billy its his guide to taking over , it involves leting youth enjoy all the sex they want , keeping groups fighting each other , destory the economy , take away guns , strt a new police force to oppose existing police and military in case they fail to want to make the change , destory the church , take over other political parties ..... Its an interesting read .

Sounds like the dumcrap party platform, and osama loves it. POWDERMAN.