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Offline Bug

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What's going on here?
« on: November 30, 2003, 05:31:57 AM »
This question may be as much about the gun, as cast bullets but, here goes:
  With the recent aquisition of FWFL bullet lube, I decided to load up a batch of the Lee 240gr HP GC bullets for my Contender, using the new (to me) lube.
 Load was 23.5gr H-110, under the above bullets (which run about 235gr, from my alloy, checked & lubed), CCI lg pistol Mag primer, and mixed WW and Federal cases - about half and half. This load should be about middle of the road, as a check of three manuals shows a spread from 20gr to 25gr for the 240gr bullet.
 When I fired this load from my 10" T/C Contender, it turned it into an auto-unloader! First shot, something hit me in the lower lip - Hard! I'll admit to being bumfuzzeled for about a minute, until my brain kicked in. The gun was locked up tight, but it had no case in the chamber. The forend/bbl had bounced back down on the front rest, and closed itself. The case was lying on the floor. As I had been doing some work with a homemade muzzle brake, I fired 2 more, with the brake removed, for testing (I might also add, these were fired with my hand on the other side of a metal plate from my head & body!) Results were the same, with the exception that it didn't bounce back down on the rest, and close - it stayed unlocked/open.
  The primers looked normal, i.e., they exhibited a very slight(normal) amount of flattening, but the radius was still fine, with no cratering. There was a slight dragging of the firing pin on the bottom of the indent, but I would expect this with it comming open due to an aparent overload. Sorry, but the chrono didn't make this trip.
 Aside from questions about the gun, what would you suggest might have caused this aparent overload? I can't say I have fired this particular load from this gun before (I did find one loading at 22.5gr), but it has digested comparatively much heavier loads, without problems - like 20gr 2400, and a 315gr cast, and some 300gr jacketed stuff, plus some pretty stiff 240gr jacketed offerings from Cor-Bon.
 Pulling the bullets showed correct powder charges, and correct bullet weights. I was going to try them in my Taurus, but decided not to push it, and pulled them all down. For those of you that will say "work up to your load" reducing a max charge (25gr) by 10% would be 22.5 gr.
 I wasn't looking for a really hot load, and picked what I thought would be a reasonable one. T'wasn't so... What 'chall think?

  P.S. This barrel had the lugs fitted by T/C, and I havent messed with it since. I couldn't find any reason for this ocurrance, but rest assured, I WILL reduce some more! And, the cases had been wiped off after loading, so lube on the cases shouldn't have been a factor. And, recoil, while a bit stiff, wasn't anything remarkable for this barrel. It's sure got me scratching my head!
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DON'T SHOOT THAT BARREL! Examine it first.
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2003, 01:21:28 PM »
Take it off the frame and use a STRONG MAGNIFIER.  Just ahead of the spring-loaded locking lug, is a tiny pin that holds the assembly in place.  This is the WEAKEST part of these barrels as it is less than 1/8th inch thick to the locking lug slot.  If you get a slight crack there, it is all over.  This is frequently a problem pushing the big magnums to their limits.  If you don't see a crack, there is a way to check that your locking lugs are engaging to the correct depth.  I am sure someone here can coach you on that better than me, but first, CHECK that lug for wear.  Dont shoot it anymore like that.
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Update...
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2003, 01:50:12 PM »
Update: I found some of the 22.5gr loads, I had loaded a year or so past. I tested them, and they only unlocked it about 1/2 the time! Then a little light went on... I think this barrel had been fitted to my other frame! Can switching frames cause something like this, without having lock-up/misfire problms?
  Robert, thanks for the reminder. I'll do the marker test, on the lugs, for engagement tomorrow.>>>>>>>>>>>Bug.
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What's going on here?
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2003, 06:21:13 PM »
Bug
 had this happen on a 45 apc barrel, 10 inch oct. on a newer frame. I put the barrel on an old frame and did not have any more trouble with it. If you have reasonable dought as to having it on the wrong frame, that is a very possible reason for your problem. good luck

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What's going on here?
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2003, 01:14:19 AM »
Bug, no offense intended, but check your arithmetic:  10% off a 25 gr. load is 22.5, not 23.5 as you stated in your original post.  This and the possible frame mismatch could lead to the problem you describe.  I had a similar problem with a .17 Mach IV - worked fine on most frames, but wouldn't stay shut on one of mine.  Tolerances, tolerances....

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Okay, Okay,
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2003, 02:29:25 AM »
You math whizzes.... Geez! :)  My mistake has been corrected....Bug.
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